ChessChat's Rotation Game

Started 8/1/01

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Graham Clayton, Player

Fellow chess chatters,

The following players have signed up for the team "rotation" game:

1. Graham Clayton
2. Bob Terry
3. Anders Lind
4. David Surratt
5. Robert Meek
6. Nuno
7. William Melton
8. Jeroen
9. Stephen Tomporowski

Since we have an odd numbered group of players, I suggest that this group will play the game. For Stephen's benefit, we will all be "rotating" our moves from White to Black, due to the odd number of players. Seeing that I came up with the idea, I will have the honour of making White's first move.

I think that we should use the same e-mail message, and just add our move. The list can then be posted to the chesschat list, so that all members can keep track of the game. I also suggest that when you post a move, you give reasons why you made the move as well.

Graham

Graham Clayton, Player

Fellow chess chatters,

Here is the opening move to the "rotation" game that some of us will be playing

1. f4

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For those of you who aren't familiar with 1. f4, this is Bird's Opening, named after the 19th century English master Henry Bird (1830-1908). According to a couple of books I have on the opening, Bird started to play 1.f4 to avoid the "theory" associated with 1. e4 openings. After Bird introduced 1 .f4 into international play, it was taken up by player like Geza Maroczy and Mikhail Thigorin. By the turn of the 20th century, the opening had gone out of fashion, and was only used by "unorthodox" players, such as Savielly Tartakower and Aron Nimzovich. Tartakower played 1.f4 four times as White in the 1911 Carlsbad tournament. The opening then disappeared again from major tournament play until Bent Larsen and Ljubomir Ljubovic played it again at the top level.

The main point of the opening is for White to gain control of the main central square, through the f4 pawn, Nf3 and the b3/Bb2 fianchetto. Black has two options a) to play positionally with 1....d5 b) try a direct tactical refutation with 1....e5, From's Gambit

Bob, the choice is up to you!

Finally, I should mention that I play Bird's Opening quite regularly as White in my CC games. I like the unusual and interesting positions that you get from the opening.

Next move: Bob Terry

Bob Terry, Player

1. f4 d5

The cautious one.

Next move Anders Lind

Bob T

Anders Lind, Player

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3

Nothing much to debate here I think, this is basicly reversed dutch. If black would have played 1. ... e5 I would probably have linked it to the Kings Gambit, even though Froms Gambit is interesting as well.

Next to move: David Surratt.

/Anders

David Surratt, Player

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6

I saw some games where 2...Bg4 was played, not without some success. It seems to sharp a line for my tastes though, and 2...Nf6 seems to enjoy success also. Another option I saw played was 2...c5, but I do not play

that type of opening line.

Next up: Robert Meek.

Hey, let's keep the subject line for all these moves the same + the move number and who's turn is next okay? That ensures they will all be filed under the same heading making them easier to keep track of. As it's my move, I'm going to change it back to "Re: [Chess Chat] Rotation game move 5, "Name of next player""

Robert Meek, Player

1. f4 d5
2. Nf3 Nf6
3.

Now before I make my move let me ask someone to please send me a copy of the player list. I inadvertently deleted last night...sorry! Also, I had a heck of a time finding this opening until I used bookup and the eco code it provided! I was looking for a "reversed dutch" and couldn't find it anywhere! Finally it showed up as the "Bird", reversed dutch variation"! Now by book, Black should have moved 'g6' followed up by White with either 'g3' or 'e3'. In any event I'm now lost with no idea of where you are heading with this! Can someone familiar with the opening give me a bit of background...an idea of the basic concept behind this maneuver and what it is you're trying to accomplish so that I can make a good call here? 'g3' is still viable to my thinking, but 'e3' doesn't look so hot to me. I need to know what White is trying to do here! Sorry for the delay but I figure that's why we're playing this game...to learn right?

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design

Robert Meek, Player

Moves so far:

1. f4 d5
2. Nf3 Nf6
3. d4

Notes on move 3 for White: As I'm completely unfamiliar with this opening, I tried to research it as best as I could. Unfortunately I was unable to find much info other than the fact we're already out of book on Black's second move. But it does seem as if White is attempting to control the e5 square as David mentioned, and so I'm hoping d4 is appropriate. <g> I expect it will be important to get the Queenside Bishop out to b2 as soon as possible, but I'm not sure what else white has to accomplish first. I hope others have more experience with this than me...AND that I haven't completely screwed up! <g> Let's try to keep the format of each message the same if possible. Subject line the same except for move number and the next players name...moves so far, any notes on the current move, and finally the list of players. This way we'll avoid any confusion.

List of players by order:

1. Graham Clayton
2. Bob Terry
3. Anders Lind
4. David Surratt
5. Robert Meek
6. Nuno
7. William Melton
8. Jeroen
9. Stephen Tomporowski

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design

Rob Kruszynski, Commentator (Man with huge databases....)

As a lurker I am loathe to side with either Black or White in this rotation game. Having looked a bit at a few games from 3. d4 above I think that it is definitely an interesting way to play the Bird. I will include (even handedly) *below* a few wins by White and the same number by Black. I have in mind to see just what games have been played from the latest position by going through all my databases until my patience runs out. So maybe something more soon ...

Rob Kruszynski

[Event "Kuopio We KSY"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1990.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Laukkanen H"]
[Black "Pulkkinen Arto"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A03"]

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. d4 e6 4. e3 c5 5. Be2 Nc6 6. O-O Bd7 7. b3 Bd6 8. Ne5 Qc7 9. Ba3 O-O 10. Nd2 Rfe8 11. Ndf3 Rac8 12. Nxc6 Qxc6 13. Ne5 Bxe5 14. fxe5 Ne4 15. Bd3 cxd4 16. Qh5 g6 17. Qh6 dxe3 18. Rxf7 1-0

[Event "Bucks"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1987.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Fernbank, D."]
[Black "Vann, Monica"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A45"]

1. f4 Nf6 2. d4 d5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. e3 Bg4 5. Bb5 g6 6. O-O Bg7 7. Bxc6+ bxc6 8. Qd3 O-O 9. Ne5 Bf5 10. Qc3 Qd6 11. Nxc6 Ne4 12. Nxe7+ Qxe7 13. Qc6 Rfd8 14. Na3 a6 15. c4 dxc4 16. Nxc4 Nd6 17. Ne5 Be4 18. Qa4 Qh4 19. Bd2 Nf5 20. Be1 Qe7 21. Qc4 Nxe3 22. Qxf7+ Qxf7 23. Nxf7 Kxf7 24. Rf2 Bxd4 25. Rc1 Nc2 0-1

[Event "cr compuserve"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1997.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Basham, Robert"]
[Black "Carter, Dick"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A03"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 g6 4. e3 Bg7 5. Bd3 O-O 6. c4 c6 7. c5 b6 8. Qa4 bxc5 9. dxc5 Nfd7 10. Qa3 e5 11. fxe5 Nxe5 12. Nxe5 Bxe5 13. O-O Qh4 14. g3 Bxg3 15. hxg3 Qxg3+ 16. Kh1 Bh3 17. Rg1 Qf3+ 18. Kh2 Bg4 19. Rg2 Qh3+ 20. Kg1 Bf3 21. Rc2 Re8 22. Kf2 d4 23. Bf1 Qh2+ 24. Kxf3 Qxc2 25. Bd2 Qd1+ 26. Kf2 Re6 27. Qd3 Rf6+ 28. Kg1 dxe3 0-1

[Event "ch-POL Boys U18"]
[Site "Zakopane POL"]
[Date "2001.??.??"]
[White "Urbanek, M"]
[Black "Moryc, I "]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2112"]
[ECO "D00"]
[Round "4"]

1. d4 d5 2. f4 Nf6 3. Nf3 g6 4. e3 Bg7 5. Bd3 O-O 6. O-O Nbd7 7. c3 Ne8 8. e4 dxe4 9. Bxe4 Ndf6 10. Bc2 Nd6 11. Na3 Bf5 12. Re1 c6 13. Ne5 Bxc2 14. Nxc2 Qc7 15. Ne3 Rfd8 16. Qf3 c5 17. Nc2 Nd7 18. Be3 cxd4 19. Nxd4 Bxe5 20. fxe5 Nxe5 21. Qg3 Nd3 22. Re2 Nc5 23. Nf5 Nce4 24. Nh6+ Kf8 25. Qh4 e6 26. Bd4 f5 27. Rf1 Ke8 28. Qf4 Kd7 29. Qe5 Re8 30. Rd1 Rad8 31. Rxe4 fxe4 32. Nf7 b6 33. Nxd8 Rxd8 34. Be3 Kc6 35. Bf4 Qe7 36. Bg5 1-0

Nuno, Player

Moves so far:

1. f4 d5
2. Nf3 Nf6
3. d4 Ne4

Notes on move 3 for Black: Well, as if it wasn't enough that David and Keith are playing s Stonewall thematic match here on ChessChat, this rotation game is also heading for the same structure :-) I'm not very familiar with these lines, but since Robert decided to dig a hole in e4, black can't too wrong if he decides to occupy it... (I hope)

List of players by order:

1. Graham Clayton
2. Bob Terry
3. Anders Lind
4. David Surratt
5. Robert Meek
6. Nuno
7. William Melton
8. Jeroen
9. Stephen Tomporowski

Regards
--
Nuno

Rob Kruszynski, Commentator

A fascinating line this i.e.this variation in the Bird starting with 3. d4. From this position there seem to be about 250 games with the StarBase CD with 200 games as usual knocking the spots off the rest followed by, FatBase 2000 with 169, ChessBase's Big Database 2000 with 88 games, ChessLab has 48, ChessBase Corr. has 32, Tim Harding's MegaCorr has 29, HorrorBase has 24, and the German Games-of-Chess CD set seems to have only 13.

Within the approx. 250 games represented by these 8 databases there are only six *decisive* games in this line after 3. d4 Ne4 (and Chess Lab has only two of them ! ) and I'll give these six here below in chronological order. Three were won by White, three by Black. All are great fighting games. May your rotation game be as interesting as these. Now I'll go back to watching from the sidelines.

Rob Kruszynski

[Event "Varna olm"]
[Date "1962.??.??"]
[White "Korning, Peter"]
[Black "Gebauer, P."]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D00"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. f4 d5 3. Nf3 Ne4 4. e3 Bg4 5. Be2 e6 6. O-O Be7 7. Ne5 Bxe2 8. Qxe2 Nd6 9. Nd2 O-O 10. Rf3 f5 11. Rh3 Nd7 12. Ndf3 c6 13. Bd2 Ne4 14. Kh1 Qe8 15. Nxd7 Qxd7 16. Rg1 Bf6 17. Bb4 Rfc8 18. Be1 c5 19. c3 Qa4 20. g4 g6 21. gxf5 exf5 22. Ne5 Bg7 23. Nxg6 hxg6 24. Rxg6 Rc6 25. Qh5 Rxg6 26. Qxg6 Qa6 27. Qh7+ Kf7 28. Qxf5+ Nf6 29. Kg2 Qe6 30. Qxe6+ Kxe6 31. dxc5 Ne4 32. b4 Rh8 33. Rf3 Kf5 34. Rf1 a6 35. a4 Bxc3 36. Bxc3 Nxc3 37. Ra1 Ke4 38. Ra3 Nd1 39. b5 axb5 40. axb5 Nxe3+ 41. Kg3 Rg8+ 0-1

[Event "CIF"]
[Date "1997.??.??"]
[White "Klausner, Helmut"]
[Black "Mrkvicka, Josef"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A45"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. f4 d5 3. Nf3 Ne4 4. e3 Bg4 5. Be2 e6 6. O-O Be7 7. Nbd2 O-O 8. Nxe4 dxe4 9. Ne5 Bxe2 10. Qxe2 c5 11. Rd1 Qc7 12. b3 f6 13. Nc4 cxd4 14. Rxd4 f5 15. Bb2 Nc6 16. Rd2 Bc5 17. Rad1 Rad8 18. Ne5 Nxe5 19. Bxe5 Qb6 20. Rd7 Rf7 21. Rxd8+ 1-0

[Event "Skopje op"]
[Date "1998.12.17"]
[White "Krstevski, Lazar"]
[Black "Stoilkovski, Jordan"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D00"]

1. d4 d5 2. f4 Nf6 3. Nf3 Ne4 4. e3 Bg4 5. Be2 e6 6. O-O h5 7. Ne5 f6 8. Nxg4 hxg4 9. Bxg4 f5 10. Bh3 g5 11. fxg5 Nxg5 12. Bxf5 exf5 13. Rxf5 Bd6 14. g3 Nh3+ 15. Kg2 Qe7 16. Qg4 Qh7 17. Nd2 Nd7 18. Nf3 O-O-O 19. Nh4 Rdg8 20. Qxh3 Qxh4 21. Qxh4 Rxh4 22. Bd2 c6 23. Rff1 Rh7 24. Be1 Kd8 25. c3 Re8 26. Bf2 Rf8 27. Bg1 Rxf1 28. Rxf1 Ke7 29. h4 Ke6 30. Rf3 Nf6 31. Kh3 Ne4 32. Kg2 Nxg3 33. Rxg3 Bxg3 34. Kxg3 Rg7+ 35. Kf2 Rg4 36. Bh2 Rxh4 37. Bf4 Rh1 38. Ke2 Ra1 39. Kd2 Rxa2 40. Kc2 Ra1 41. b4 Kf5 42. Kb2 Re1 43. Kc2 Ke4 44. Kd2 Ra1 45. Kc2 Ra2+ 46. Kb3 Re2 47. c4 Kd3 48. cxd5 cxd5 49. Bg5 Re1 50. Bf4 Rb1+ 51. Ka4 Kc3 0-1

[Event "Seefeld op 9th"]
[Date "1998.??.??"]
[White "Stock, Juergen"]
[Black "Schmidt, Juergen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "D00"]
[WhiteElo "2040"]
[BlackElo "2195"]

1. d4 d5 2. f4 Nf6 3. Nf3 Ne4 4. e3 Bg4 5. Nbd2 e6 6. c3 Be7 7. Qb3 Nxd2 8. Nxd2 Qc8 9. e4 dxe4 10. Nxe4 Nd7 11. Bd3 O-O 12. O-O Bf5 13. Qc2 Bg6 14. g4 Bxe4 15. Bxe4 Nf6 16. Bd3 c5 17. g5 c4 18. gxf6 cxd3 19. Qxd3 Bxf6 20. f5 Qc6 21. Qg3 Rae8 22. Bd2 e5 23. Rf2 exd4 24. Rg2 Kh8 25. Rf1 dxc3 26. Bxc3 Bxc3 27. bxc3 Qf6 28. Rd1 Rd8 29. Rxd8 Rxd8 30. h3 h6 31. Qf3 b6 32. Rf2 Rc8 33. c4 Rxc4 34. Qa8+ Kh7 35. Qxa7 Rc1+ 36. Kh2 Qg5 0-1

[Event "FRA-chJW7"]
[Date "1998.??.??"]
[White "Cianfarani, Gaelle"]
[Black "Sand, Berenice"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D00"]

1. d4 d5 2. f4 Nf6 3. Nf3 Ne4 4. e3 Bg4 5. Be2 e6 6. O-O Nd7 7. Nbd2 Ndf6 8. h3 Bxf3 9. Nxf3 Be7 10. Ne5 Qd6 11. a3 Ng3 12. Rf3 Nxe2+ 13. Qxe2 Ne4 14. Qb5+ c6 15. Qxb7 O-O 16. Qxc6 Rac8 17. Qxd6 Bxd6 18. c3 Bxe5 19. fxe5 Rc4 20. Rf1 Rb8 21. Rd1 Rb3 22. Rb1 a6 23. Bd2 a5 24. g4 a4 25. Be1 g5 26. Kg2 h6 27. h4 Kg7 28. hxg5 hxg5 29. Bf2 Kg6 30. Kf1 Kh6 31. Ke2 Kg6 32. Rh1 Kg7 33. Rh2 Kg6 34. Kd3 Kg7 35. Kc2 Kf8 36. Rbh1 Kg7 37. Be1 Rc6 38. Rh7+ Kg8 39. Rh8+ Kg7 40. R1h2 Rc7 41. Ra8 Rc4 42. Rhh8 f6 43. Rhg8+ Kh7 44. Rge8 Rb6 45. Re7+ Kg6 46. Raa7 fxe5 47. dxe5 Kh6 48. Rh7+ Kg6 49. Rag7# 1-0

[Event "Recklinghausen Sueder Sommer"]
[Date "2000.07.26"]
[White "Oberste, Norbert"]
[Black "Gudaci, Agim"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A03"]
[WhiteElo "1590"]
[BlackElo "1825"]
[PlyCount "57"]

1. f4 d5 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nf3 Ne4 4. e3 Nd7 5. Bd3 Ndf6 6. O-O Bg4 7. Qe1 Bxf3 8. Rxf3 e6 9. Nd2 Bd6 10. c4 c5 11. cxd5 exd5 12. Bb5+ Nd7 13. dxc5 Bxc5 14. Nxe4 dxe4 15. Rg3 O-O 16. Qc3 f6 17. Bc4+ Kh8 18. Bd5 Qe7 19. b4 Bxb4 20. Qb3 Nb6 21. Be6 Rae8 22. f5 Qc5 23. Bb2 Bd2 24. Bd4 Qb4 25. Qc2 Rd8 26. Qc7 Rg8 27. Rxg7 Bxe3+ 28. Bxe3 Nd7 29. Qxd7 1-0

Rob Kruszynski, Commentator

Hmm ...I guess I was not clear. Anyway, I now have all the figures I need to clarify what I was trying to say above. The are a total of 230 different games in the databases I have which reach the position after these moves :

1. f4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. d4 = ECO A03 (that precise move order happened in 73 of the 230 games). In 69 of the 230 games it was reached via 1. d4 Nf6 2. f4 d5 3. Nf3 = ECO A45 and in 88 of them it went via 1. d4 d5 2. f4 Nf6 3. Nf3 = ECO D00. The overall result from those 230 games is that White won 74, there were 64 draws and Black won 92.

BUT the position reached after these moves i.e. 1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 N6 3. d4 Ne4 is an even rarer Bird and in the 230 games above it occurs only NINE times with a score of +3 =3 -3. The wins and losses you have from me already. Here (below) are the three draws.

Have fun,

Rob Kruszynski

[Event "USA-04.Kongress"]
[Site "Philadelphia"]
[Date "1876.08.23"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Ware, Preston"]
[Black "Barbour, LD."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D00"]

1. d4 d5 2. f4 Nf6 3. Nf3 Ne4 4. e3 g6 5. Bd3 Bg7 6. O-O f5 7. Bd2 Nd7 8. Be1 c5 9. c3 c4 10. Bxe4 dxe4 11. Ng5 Nb6 12. Nd2 h6 13. Nh3 Be6 14. Rf2 a6 15. Nf1 Nd5 16. b4 b6 17. a4 Nf6 18. Rb1 Bd5 19. Ra2 O-O 20. Nf2 e6 21. h3 Kh7 22. Nh2 Ra7 23. Nh1 g5 24. g3 gxf4 25. gxf4 Rg8 26. Rg2 Bh8 27. Rbb2 Rxg2+ 28. Rxg2 a5 29. b5 Qe8 30. Ng3 Bg7 31. Nhf1 Bh8 32. Qe2 Rc7 33. Kh2 Bb7 34. Nd2 Bd5 35. Ndf1 Bg7 36. Qa2 Bf8 37. Qc2 Bd6 38. Nd2 Rg7 39. Ndf1 Rg6 40. Qe2 Bf8 41. Kh1 Rg8 42. Kh2 Qf7 43. Nd2 Qc7 44. Nh5 Rxg2+ 45. Kxg2 Ne8 46. Bh4 Qf7 47. Bd8 Qb7 48. Nf6+ Nxf6 49. Bxf6 Bg7 50. Bxg7 Qxg7+ 51. Kh2 Qc7 52. h4 Qg7 53. h5 Kh8 54. Nb1 Qg8 55. Nd2 Kh7 1/2-1/2

[Event "CiF TT-96-033B"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1998.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Vermaas, Dick Wouter"]
[Black "Mrkvicka, Josef"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A45"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. f4 d5 3. Nf3 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 e6 6. Nxe4 Bxe4 7. Bd3 Bxd3 8. cxd3 Nd7 9. O-O Be7 10. Bd2 O-O 11. Rc1 c6 12. e4 Qb6 13. Qc2 f6 14. Kh1 a6 15. b4 Bd6 16. e5 Be7 17. a4 fxe5 18. fxe5 Rf7 19. a5 Qb5 20. Rf2 Nf8 21. Rcf1 Ng6 22. Qc3 Raf8 23. g3 Rf5 24. Kg2 h6 25. Ne1 Rxf2+ 26. Rxf2 Rxf2+ 27. Kxf2 Qa4 28. Ke2 Qa2 29. Qc2 Qa1 30. Qc3 Qa4 31. Qc2 Qa3 32. Qc3 Qxc3 33. Bxc3 Nf8 34. Nf3 Nd7 35. Nd2 Kf7 36. Nb3 h5 1/2-1/2

[Event "CiF TT-96-031B"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Wegelin, Reinhard"]
[Black "Mrkvicka, Josef"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A45"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. f4 d5 3. Nf3 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. Nxe4 Bxe4 6. Ng5 Bg6 7. e3 e6 8. Bd3 Be7 9. O-O Nd7 10. Nf3 c5 11. Bxg6 hxg6 12. c4 dxc4 13. d5 Qb6 14. e4 Qd6 15. b3 exd5 16. Qxd5 Qxd5 17. exd5 cxb3 18. Re1 Kf8 19. axb3 a6 20. Bb2 Nf6 21. Rad1 Rd8 22. Bxf6 gxf6 23. Re2 Rh5 24. Red2 Bd6 25. g3 Re8 26. h4 Re4 27. Kf2 Rb4 1/2-1/2

Bill Melton, Player

Subject: [ChessChat] Re: Rotation game move

Moves so far:

1. f4 d5
2. Nf3 Nf6
3. d4 Ne4
4. Nd2

Notes on move 4 white I chose this move since our Mad Aussie dicided to play an opening I really know nothing about and we appear to be out on our own unless someone has a super secret opening book. So I chose tmake a hopefully sensible opening move on opening priciples. I hope Steven gets something better than this after Jeroen ;-) makes his move.Go dudes.

List of players by order:

1. Graham Clayton
2. Bob Terry
3. Anders Lind
4. David Surratt
5. Robert Meek
6. Nuno
7. William Melton
8. Jeroen
9. Stephen Tomporowski

Till next move

Bill

Anders Lind, Player

I have to ask the question which knight? I would assume it is the one from b1, but just to make sure....

/Anders

Bill Melton, Player

Anders is right tghe knight from b1 of course opening priciples like I said and one be move a piece only once during the opening phase.

Bill

Jeroen van Dorp, Player

I guessed it was Nbd2 and I hope I guessed well.

Here's the score:

1.f4 d5
2.Nf3 Nf6
3.d4 Ne4
4.Nbd2 Bf5

As I don't think we put that knight on e4 to be captured the next instance without compensation.

Next to move is Stephen. Good luck!

Jeroen ;-}

btw I always present me with that Jeroen ;-} thing, but for the people who want to know the full name of this Dutchie, it's Jeroen van Dorp. For the records.

Steve Tomporowski, Player

1.f4 d5
2.Nf3 Nf6
3.d4 Ne4
4.Nbd2 Bf5
5.e3

White has managed to get himself cramped, so patience is in order. While it might be nice to see 5.Nxe4 Bxe4 6.Ng5, Black can also play 5...dxe4 whereby White has more problems. 5.e3 still threatens Nxe4, but also enables Bd3, which could make things very interesting due to the fact that Black now has no easy way to further support the N. Oh, if you were thinking of 5.Nh4, 5...Bg4 is embarrassing: 6.Nxe4 dxe4 and the N has nowhere to go.

Okay, Graham, your turn as black...Look what you did!?! ;)

Steve

Graham Clayton, Mad Aussie

1. f4 d5
2. Nf3 Nf6
3. d4 Ne4
4. Nbd2 Bf5
5. e3 Nbd7

As previous posts have mentioned, the Black knight on e4 will play a key role in cramping White. Hence my move 5........Nbd7, which can then be followed by Ndf6 if necessary, in order to give the Knight some extra support. I had considered 5...e6, but Black can play that move a little later on.

The game has certainly gone into a variation that I did not think of when I played 1 f4!

Bill, thanks for your kind words! :-)

I also want to thank Rob for his diligent database research in finding games with this unusual line.

List of players in order

1. Graham ("Mad Aussie") Clayton
2. Bob Terry
3. Anders Lind
4. David Surratt
5. Robert Meek
6. Nuno Maltez
7. William Melton
8. Jeroen von Dorp
9. Stephen Tomporowski

Bob Terry, Maker of PGNs...

[Event "Rotation"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.08.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "All"]
[Black "All"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 *

6. c4, because it seems to be the right thing to do. Could grab the Knight, but what then?

Next move, Anders Lind

Anders Lind, Player

[Event "Rotation"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.08.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "All"]
[Black "All"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6*

Black has 2 choices here I think either e6 or c6, it feels for me that c6 is slightly more flexible and esp if white decides to take on d5 black can grab the c-line with the rook pretty quick. The downside of this move is that e6 is a better move from development point of view...but that could make black pawns on the queensside an ideal victim of a queenssideattack.

List of players in order

1. Graham ("Mad Aussie") Clayton
2. Bob Terry
3. Anders Lind
4. David Surratt
5. Robert Meek
6. Nuno Maltez
7. William Melton
8. Jeroen von Dorp
9. Stephen Tomporowski

/Anders

David Surratt, who dropped the PGN somewhere...

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5

Black may or may not be able to grab the c-file with a rook, but after 7...cxd5 8.Qb3 what's he gonna play? Huh, huh? lol Actually, I feel it in my chessic-nature to play very actively here. I think White can make threats & take the initiative.

List of players in order

1. Graham ("Mad Aussie") Clayton
2. Bob Terry
3. Anders Lind
4. David Surratt
5. Robert Meek
6. Nuno Maltez
7. William Melton
8. Jeroen von Dorp
9. Stephen Tomporowski

Robert Meek, who tried, but couldn't find the PGN...

Moves so far:

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.

It seems pretty obvious that Black's move must be cxd5, and if followed by: 8. Q-b3, then Black should move: e6. In my own games, as cmate can attest, I've been finding doubled pawns to be as dangerous as they are troublesome, and right now White's doubled pawns on d4 and d5 are extremely troublesome! In any event the move e6 helps alleviate some of these problems while allowing the black Bishop access to the game. Black should consider castling kingside soon after e6. Keep the analysis coming guys...I'm finding it very helpful!

List of players in order

1. Graham ("Mad Aussie") Clayton
2. Bob Terry
3. Anders Lind
4. David Surratt
5. Robert Meek
6. Nuno Maltez
7. William Melton
8. Jeroen von Dorp
9. Stephen Tomporowski

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design

Jeroen van Dorp, Player with Net....

http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

for some who want to know what they're up to the coming weeks...... :)

Nuno Maltez, Player acquiring a last name, finally....

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3

The logical follow up, keeping the pressure on b7 and d5. However, it blocks the b pawn, and developing the Bd2 seems to be white's biggest problem. Also it's still not clear what's the best square for the Bf1.

After 8.Qb3 black needs to defend both d5 and b7. The only move that seems to accomplish this is 8...Nb6. However, the knight looks misplaced in b6 and 9.Bb5+ or 9.Ne5 threatening 10.Bb5+ might give white an edge.

Black can gambit the b pawn, but after 8...e6 9.Qxb7 I don't see much compensation.

Keeping this in mind, I'd like to leave 2 ideas open for comments:

- instead of 6...c6 could black defend with 6...Ndf6, keeping d5 under control (queen + knight) so that b7 could be defended by Rb8 or b6 after Qb3?

- would it be better for white to play 7.Qb3 right away, before exchanging on d5? 7...Nb6 would have failed to 8.c5 and after 7...dxc4 8.Bxc4 f7 and b7 are under attack.

Well, they say the best way to improve is to analyse our own games, don't they? :-)

1. Graham ("Mad Aussie") Clayton
2. Bob Terry
3. Anders Lind
4. David Surratt
5. Robert Meek
6. Nuno Maltez
7. William Melton
8. Jeroen von Dorp
9. Stephen Tomporowski

--
Nuno

Bill Melton, Player

Welcome back Nuno:
Subject: RE: [ChessChat] Rotation Game Next Move William Melton

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6

Not that you were gone but the Queen looked like a logical choice, I have been looking at the way to save one of the pawns and elected to give the b pawn up and after white takes it, N-d6 and chase the skirt away. But to give up the hole the knight was in. Was my cosieration white will have to push a pawn to chase the bishop and e6 seems to keep the middle ground together. On to Jeroen, tahnks Robert for picking the move to look at. And to Nuno for making it. Onwards to Jeroen to see if he grabs the pawn.

1. Graham ("Mad Aussie") Clayton
2. Bob Terry
3. Anders Lind
4. David Surratt
5. Robert Meek
6. Nuno Maltez
7. William Melton
8. Jeroen von Dorp
9. Stephen Tomporowski

Bill

Jeroen van Dorp, Player

Co-wrestlers,

We must be careful not to shift the move order one move back, as everyone predicts the next move and the next player decides to play that move :)))
This will seriously screw up the move table..... :))

---

So Qxb7, huh?
I have been thinking along other paths.

First of all, I decided that black tries to control the center with his light pieces, and white with the pawns. However the white pawns do *not* have the optimal structure and black's pieces are relatively safe, or else I
would immediately start attacking them with my pawns. Lose a pawn for some attacking chances: I would love that.

With that in mind I have set up some positions on the board that I would like to reach from the current position- no matter if I can exactly make it, just set it up. No need to count the moves on both sides, just shuffle until you find something you like. It's the idea that counts. If we are there it's the moment I should start to calculate if -and how- it's possible.

So I came to some "wanted positions" based on this wish list:

- First of all (again): the bishop on c1 is bad. I want it freed. So Nd2 should move out of the way.

- Second of all, I want to attack the knight on d7 as it can be pinned and attacked. I love to attack a pinned piece. I was thinking along lines like playing Bb5 and Ne5 with white. To do that I have to get rid of the knight on e4, which is much too advanced to my taste. However calculating that I am one move short: 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Bb5 Bxf3 and gone is my advantage. But the idea is there.

- Third of all looking at all those centered black pieces and to my pawn structure, and especially to f4, I am eagerly looking at f7. Now with the bishop out of the way - say a recapture of the black knight - that could be possible.

All smells at Nxe4

If you have some spare time, look here:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/various/diagram1.jpg
white Ke1,Qb3,Nd2,f3,Bc1,f1,Ra1,h1,Pa2,b2,d4,e3,f4,g2,h2
black Ke8,Qd8,Nd7,e4,Bf5,f8,Ra8,h8,Pa7,b7,d5,e6,f7,g7,h7

It's a bit of a mess with all those arrows, but before the headache comes, you may get the message.

So I started shuffling with the pieces. How about 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Ne5 10...Nxe5 (with 10...Qh4+ 11.g3 Qe7 12.Bb5 it's about the same; not 10...f6? 11.Nxd7 Kxd7 (not 11...Qxd7?? 12.Bb5) 12.Qxb7+) 11.fxe5 Be7
12.Bb5+ Kf8 13.0-0

Now reassessing the situation again
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/various/diagram2.jpg
white Kg1,Qb3,Bb5,c1,Ra1,f1,Pa2,b2,d4,e3,e5,g2,h2
black Kf8,Qd8,Be4,e7,Ra8,h8,Pa7,b7,d5,e6,f7,g7,h7

Not quite what I wanted, but on the pro side: I have my open line, I do have f7 as a weak point attacked, I hampered the development of the rook on h8, I got rid of that advanced knight, I made space for my bishop on c1

but also on the con side: both my queen and white bishop are on the wrong side, I want them at the kingside! that knight is replaced with an immobile but highly irritating bishop and black can go for the open c-line, although the amassed white troops on the queenside could take care of that.

From my simple man's wishes I see more long time advantage in Nxe4 than in nicking the pawn on b7 now.

Overall I think I like this development most, especially a specific attacking chance; I must start to get rid of the advanced knight, so I can threaten on d7 and try to disturb the king -looking for a long time
f7 -advantage.

So the move is 9.Nxe4 and the game so far

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4

And if you don't like it, blame me :) but you're stuck with the move anyhow... <sarcastic grin>

Next to move: Stephen Tomporowski.
Good luck, Stephen!

game so far: http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm
rotation table: http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

List of players in order

1. Graham ("Mad Aussie") Clayton
2. Bob Terry
3. Anders Lind
4. David Surratt
5. Robert Meek
6. Nuno Maltez
7. William Melton
8. Jeroen van Dorp
9. Stephen Tomporowski

Steve Tomporowski, Player with vague and idle threats.....

Remember you can read the entire game with messages at: http://www.nostgames.com/rotationgame.htm

The game so far:

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4

While it might be nice to play 9...dxe4 and dislodge the N, I figure, while I'm at it, I'd set a trap for White on 10.Qxb7....I'll leave it to you to figure it out.

Just to note, it involves sacking even more material (how unFritz-like!)and dear old Fritz 6 sucked it all down and sat at move 25 wondering how he could recover from a -4.19 deficit....

I don't want to give it away since it can be avoided....<evil grin>

next move to: The Mad Aussie

Steve

Graham Clayton, Mad Aussie

The game so far:

1.f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5 cxd5 8. Qb3 e6 9. Ne4 Be4 10. Qxb7

After much soul-searching, I have decided to take the b7 pawn.
With 8. Qb3, White had committed himself to a pawn-grab, so I
can't see the point in backtracking now.

I think also this option will make for an interesting game,
as we can explore what compensation, if any, Black
has for his pawn deficit.

Not having the benefit of Fritz, I couldn't see the "trap" that
Steve had set for White after 10. Qb7.

My analysis after 10. Qb7 was based around
the idea of 10.....Bf3 11.gf3, and a check on h4.

11....Qh4 leaves the rook on a8 undefended, and
takes away a defender of the d7 knight, especially
if White plays Bb5 in the near future.

My plan would be to play 11....Be7, followed by a check
on h4.

My analysis was
11.....Bf3
12. gf3 Be7
13. Bb5 Bh4+
14. Kf1 Rb8
14 Qc6 Rb6
15. Qc4 0-0

Black has manged to castle,and break the pin
on the d7 knight, while White has lost the right
to castle, and will have to spend a couple of
moves trying to develop his dark-squared bishop,
as well as repositioning his queen and white-squared
bishop.

next move to: Bob Terry

Graham

Bob Terry, Player

[Event "Rotation"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.08.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "All"]
[Black "All"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 *

Well, Graham has said all that I was going to say. He must have seen my
notes:-)
Qc8 should exchange Queens, and give Black the "c" file. This e-mail has the
game in
pgn, so as to avoid move list misteaks.
Bob T

Next move: ANDERS LIND

Steve Tomporowski, The Lost Message

Well, in short, I lost this message (should sound pretty funny to some people ;), but Steve presented analysis quoted in the following messages. But he did start the lost message with: "Now that Bob has made the move that Fritz suggested (didn't think we'd notice, huh?)....Which prompted the following reply:

Bob Terry, NOT showing his age.....;)

Steve, you've made my day. I was feeling all of my 91 years until I read
that I'd chosen the move that Fritz would have made. Now, no matter what
happens, I'll die with a smile on my lips, (and the taste of brandy in my
mouth I hope). May you be half an hour in heaven before the Devil knows
you're dead, My Son :-)
A Very Much Cheered Up Bob T

David Surratt, Player

I'm looking forward to the rest of it. Fritzie & I took a look and here's what
we saw (in red):

> The trap began, like graham mentioned with 10.Qxb7 Bxf3 11.gxf3, but now,
> LOOK AT THE WHOLE BOARD. 11...Rc8! 12.Qxa7 Bb5+ 13.Ke2 (13.Bd2 Qh4+ 14.Ke2
> Bxd2 15.Kxd2 Qf2+ 16.Be2 Rc2+ 17.Kxc2 Qxe2+ 18.Kc3 Qxe3+ 19.Kc2 Qe2+
20.Kc1 Qe3+ = and a perpetual, I think. Any improvements over this line?) Qh4
(threatening ...Qe1+)14.Bg2 this is a mate in eight according to Fritz. Of
course, I saw it first! :)

David Surratt

Steve Tomporowski, with apologies

Sorry guys, got involved with postal games and didn't get to Fritz last
night (Yeah, yeah, I will). The one point I was trying to make was that if
you analyze with Fritz on that position, the computer will NEVER give you
that line, even if you analyze until the conclusion is within it's
'horizon'. Fritz is a boring player.....

Steve

PS: Unfortunately, I made a slip of the finger and I was trying for
11...Rb8! (11...Rc8 gives White too much latitude to reply) to force the Q
to take the a7 pawn to clear the b4 square for the B. Eventually Black
sacks that B also. I'll make sure I get that in the email tonight...

Steve Again, this time he DID get it into the email....

Here's the game and some analysis. I played Fritz, essentially on infinite
after 10.Qxb7. I gave Fritz time to display his thinking and then tried to
short-circuit it.

Steve

Us - Them [A03]
Rotation Game, 04.08.2001

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6
9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 [10.Ng5 Qb6 11.Qxb6 Nxb6 12.Bb5+ Ke7 13.Nxe4 dxe4 14.Bd2
Rc8 15.Bc3 Nd5 16.Kd2 a6 17.Be2 Kd7 18.Rhc1 Bd6 19.g3] 10...Bxf3 11.gxf3 Rb8
[11...Qh4+ 12.Ke2 Rb8 13.Qxa7 Bb4 14.Bg2] 12.Qxa7 Bb4+ 13.Ke2 Qh4 14.Bg2 Rc8
15.Qa4 0-0 16.a3 Nb6 17.Qxb4 Rc2+ 18.Bd2 Nc4 19.Rad1 Rxb2 20.Qc3 Rfb8
21.Rhf1 R8b3 22.Qxb3 Rxb3 23.Rb1 Rxb1 24.Rxb1 h5 25.Rf1 Qxh2 26.Rf2 Qg1
27.Bb4 Qc1 28.e4 Qc2+ 29.Ke1 Qb1+ 30.Ke2 Nb2 31.Rf1 Qc2+ 32.Bd2 Qd3+ 33.Ke1
dxe4 34.fxe4 Qg3+ 35.Rf2 Nd3+ 36.Ke2 Qxf2+ 37.Kxd3 Qxg2 38.Be3 h4 39.d5 exd5
40.exd5 Qxd5+ 41.Kc3 Qf3 42.Kd4 h3 43.Bg1 Qd1+ 44.Kc4 Qxg1 45.Kb5 h2 46.a4
h1Q 47.f5 Qd5+ 48.Ka6 Qc6+ 49.Ka5 Qgc5# 0-1

Anders Lind, and the PGN returns!

[Event "Rotation"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.08.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "All"]
[Black "All"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 *

The reasoning behind this move is to not let black get the c-line, not
at least without a fight.

List of players in order

1. Graham ("Mad Aussie") Clayton
2. Bob Terry
3. Anders Lind
4. David Surratt
5. Robert Meek
6. Nuno Maltez
7. William Melton
8. Jeroen van Dorp
9. Stepehem Tomporowski

Best Regards,
Anders

David Surratt, Player

[Event "Rotation"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.08.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "All"]
[Black "All"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7

Seems forced, although I suppose I could have offered to exchange bishops
with 11...Bb4+. That move is still in the offing though, and nothing would
have forced White to exchange. So I figured, why help White develop?

David Surratt

Robert Meek, Player

Hi gang,
Well I really had to take my time and think about this one. After all, in
a game such as this, when one hasn't had a move for awhile and is then
suddenly faced with such a complex decision filled with a great variety of
possible moves to play in return, it requires deep and insightful
consideration. "ZZZZZ"
Duh! I hope my next chance to move holds at least a little more challenge
than this one did! <g> 12. Bxb7

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12. Bxb7

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design

Nuno Maltez, Player

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8

Well, not many options again. My only doubt was if I should
play ...Bb4+ first, since after 13.Bd2? Bxd2+ 14.Kxd2 Rb8 15.Bc6 Rxb2+
black regains the pawn. But I'll leave the placement of the bishop
to the next player; move order here doesn't seem to make much differece.

Black has to be a bit careful with stuff like Bc6 followed by Ne5
attacking the pinned Nd7. One option is to play 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Ke(f)2
Ke7, but it doesn't look too good after Bxd7 Kxd7 Ne5+.

So the next guy moving the black pieces should play with care :-)

Nuno

Bill Melton, Player

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6

Yep Nuno not too many options as: The Knight should be taken by the Bishop
now to keep it of of e5, I think Jeroen as Black will hack down the knight
with ...BxN 14.PxN and as a contination from here Bb4+ 15. Ke2 the black
move is fuzzy but maybe Ke7 but the upcoming action on the c file with these
moves could become hot. and the doubled pawns of white. Golly move thirteen
and I am thinking about these pawns. This is good for me. But I am not to
clear in how these pawns can affect the game yet if the kings remain
uncastled and in the middle. Do not prove me wrong Jeroen as I think taking
the knight now is forced, but like I said I think crossed fingers.
Bill

Jeroen van Dorp, Player

My move: 13...Bb4+

I don't think taking the knight it is forced. In my opinion playing 13...Bb4+
14. Kf2 (preferably not Ke2 because in that case white can't play the knight,
due to possible Bxg2) Ke7 doesn't worsen black's position a lot. It mobilized
the bishop, it joins the black rooks, at first I am not totally dissatisfied.

If black starts with exchanging the bishop for the knight, it will be stuck with
a pin on d7, as why should white concentrate on getting the black knight and
lose a fine tactical theme:) - the pin?
(As white I could go for Rg1 after gxf3 and have a nice *second* theme: the open
g-file.)

So we first should go for the check, the king will go to f2, the pin-free king
will move with Ke7 and then *after* an eventual Bxd7 black should directly swap
the bishop for the knight. It leaves white after gxf3 with an open g-file, it's
true. The rest is future, although Kxd7 is not that spectacular a choice and
maybe white should start harassing the black bishop on b4 in a few moves. Say a3
or so....

After this extensive swap the black bishop is slightly better than it's white
counterpart, and it's really the material disadvantage of a pawn that should
force black to speed up it's rooks in play. If black succeeds, white *has* to
give back that pawn very quickly, say on the queenside, to compensate for the
positional disadvantage. But hey - I'm looking into the crystal ball.

Stephen, I hand the microphone to you. Could you do the weather forecast for
tomorrow as well? And the headlines of today? ;)

J.

Steve Tomporowski, Player

[Event "Rotation"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.08.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "All"]
[Black "All"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2

Not a lot to comment here. I just want to get the king out of check and out
of a potential Bxf3+, so that on the take, I can potentially have an
'in-between' move.

>Stephen, I hand the microphone to you. Could you do the weather >forecast
>for tomorrow as well? And the headlines of today? ;)

Tomorrow's weather will be increasing light toward daybreak with increasing
darkness toward night. Today's Top Story: Researchers have discovered that
the Caro-Kann is really an impotent Sicilian characterized by the player's
inability to get 'it' all the way up to c5....;)

Steve

Graham Clayton, From Oz but NOT a munchkin....

[Event "Rotation"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.08.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "All"]
[Black "All"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 *Ke7*

The key feature of the current position is the pin
on the Black Knight by the White bishop on c6.
One of White's obvious next moves is to play
Ne5, putting more pressure on the pinned piece.
So, my candidate moves were designed to stop Ne5
I came up with the following 5 moves

14..........Bf3
14..........f6 (followed by Kf7)
14..........Rb6
14..........Rc8
14..........Ke7

I discarded these moves

14.....Bf3 because I would be giving
up a centrally place piece for a passively placed
piece

14.....f6 leaves the e-pawn e-weak

14.....Rb6/c8 allow White to play Ba4 and keep the
pin.

So I chose 14....Ke7. The pin is broken immediately,
plus the Rook on h8 is now free to enter the game.

White can now play 16. Ng5, threatening 17. Ne4 de4
18. Be4 winning a pawn, but 16.....Bg6 stops that
idea (not 16....Bf5 17. Nf7 Kf7 18. Bd7)

I would be interested to see how we will develop
the c1 Bishop!

Graham

Bob Terry, Player, with Time Machine ('mon bak)

David Surratt, with the Question

Well I'm confused. I thought Graham played 14...Ke7 already. Did I miss
something?

David Surratt

Graham Clayton, with a 'me too'

David said:
>Well I'm confused. I thought Graham played 14...Ke7 already. Did I miss
>something?

David,
I think you are right!

Graham

Bob Terry, with the inevitable....

Sorry about that Gentlemen, I have corrected the misteak, and will send the
proper move tomorrow, (mine). And this time I'll say who plays next. For
the last few days someone has been throwing fertilizer at the air
circulating devise, and it's been a bit hectic.

Bob T

[Event "Rotation"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.08.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "All"]
[Black "All"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 *

This will swap off some pieces, and leave Bishops of the same colour.
White still has a bit of an edge, but not by much.
Next move, ANDERS LIND
Bob T

Anders Lind, playing whilst cleaning his computer....

[Event "Rotation"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.08.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "All"]
[Black "All"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7*

Not a lot of choice here...anyone have the right move order, unfortunately
I lost it when I did some fallcleaning in my ChessChat folder...I think
it is David Surrat though, please correct me if I am wrong.

Best Regards,
Anders

Bob Meek, Clean AND New

As I've been on and off line for about a week now as I get my new system
up to speed, I've kind of lost track of the game. I believe I have all
the messages saved however just in case I don't could someone please
send me an up-to-date move list, as well as one of the players and their
positions? I've noticed the last few messages didn't always include
who's move it was next and I want to make sure I haven't missed a turn
and that I have time to study the game up to date before I do have to
make a move. Thanx.

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design

Jeroen van Dorp, Pages and Pages.....

For those who swept their PC's in fall instead of spring:

:)

rotation table (move order and more):
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm
game so far:
http://www.nostgames.com/rotationgame.htm
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm

J.

Anders Lind, Player, Wondering where is the next move?

I semt a move about a week ago although I did not have who
was the next in line to move, but I do have all respect personally
for if anyone wants to take a while to make their moves.

On a similiar note I know that ICCF has announced a week of silence
to honour all the killed and injuried in the attack.

Best Regards,
Anders

David Surratt, Player, He missed something.....

Anders, I am after you in the list, but I don't recall ever seeing your
post. Could you please resend it? Thanks!

David Surratt

Anders Lind, Player, and Now we know!

Next: David Surratt (I know this time who it is to move LOL)

/Anders

> [Event "Rotation"]
> [Site "ChessChat"]
> [Date "2001.08.02"]
> [Round "?"]
> [White "All"]
> [Black "All"]
> [Result "*"]
>
> 1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
> 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
> 12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7*
>
> Not a lot of choice here...anyone have the right move order, unfortunately
> I lost it when I did some fallcleaning in my ChessChat folder...I think
> it is David Surrat though, please correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Best Regards,
> Anders

David Surratt, Player, Back on Track!!!

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6
9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7 12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7
15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+

Black will protect the f-pawn, allowing White to play Nc6. Should White do
so, intending to swap off Black's dark-squared bishop? It seems to free
White's game, but goes into an opposite colored bishop ending, albeit a pawn
up.

Next up: Robert Meek

Robert Meek, Player, with delays.....

I just wanted all concerned to know that I did indeed receive
the last call to move and will be getting to it sometime today I hope,
or tomorrow at the very latest. I've been quite busy with a volunteer
group of the local fire company I'm a member of...we've sent a number of
people up to NY to help out...and I didn't want to rush a move off
without having first studied the current position. You shall receive my
move as soon as possible.

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design

David Surratt, Player

I'm sure no one wants you to rush a move off. Take your time, as much time
as you need, and thanks to you and your company for helping out with this
tragedy.

David Surratt

"Well you did it again...left me in such a position I certainly
wouldn't leave a friend in!"

Thank you! In chess, I take that as high praise. <bows>

David Surratt

Robert Meek, Player, With a Message most didn't get...

Maybe we should do this by snail mail! I just got this today. It is like
3:30 pm east coast time. Should we start a pool on how long Nuno takes to
get to us when he sends his or if he got this one yet. I wonder how many
times this went around the world before it got here lol.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Meek" <rmeek@ptd.net>
To: <ChessChat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 08:05
Subject: RE: [ChessChat] [Rotation Move : 16 black next Nuno Maltz

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3
e6
9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7 12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7
15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7

Well you did it again...left me in such a position I certainly
wouldn't leave a friend in! I would have liked to move in closer to the
pawn structure Black has, but then there's that nasty fork looming in
the background, and I don't want to block the Rook from getting into
play. Thus...Kc7.

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design
e-mail: rmeek@ptd.net

-----Original Message-----
From: David Surratt [mailto:surrattf@bmi.net]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 11:04 PM
To: ChessChat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChessChat] [Rotation (?). Move : 15.Bxd7]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3
e6
9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7 12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7
15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+

Black will protect the f-pawn, allowing White to play Nc6. Should White
do
so, intending to swap off Black's dark-squared bishop? It seems to free
White's game, but goes into an opposite colored bishop ending, albeit a
pawn
up.

Next up: Robert Meek

William Melton

Jeoren van Dorp, Player

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have progressed until move 16 of black and
suppose that for white's 17th move Nuno Maltez has to shoot from the hip.
But maybe I fell asleep and you're all waiting for my boring move.:)

Jeoren

Nuno Maltez, Player

On Sat, 29 Sep 2001, Jeroen ;-} wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have progressed until move 16 of black and
> suppose that for white's 17th move Nuno Maltez has to shoot from the hip.
> But maybe I fell asleep and you're all waiting for my boring move.:)

Yes, you're all waiting for my move. I'm sorry, I just had a hell of a
week at work, no time for chess at all!

I hope to send my move this Sunday.

regards,
Nuno

Pete Robbins, Peanut Gallery

You should be saying "I've just had a hell of a game of Chess, no time for work
all week" !!

Pete Robbins

Bill Melton, Player, Complaining about the Electronic Mailman???

Whoa Dudes:
I was making reference to the time That Robert sent his move and when I
finally got it ten days later just look at the e-mail headers I will snip
alot. But look at the dates.
Later
Bill

Sorry, Bill, I deleted the messages....;)

Steve Tomporowski, Player, Out of Order and Plugging the Limerick Game....

Somehow things are getting goofed up and not going to the list....

Yeah, Nuno, you think work and chess is tough, just try thinking of a
limerick for each move....;)

Steve

Nuno Maltez, Player, Returning with a Move!

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5
8.Qb3e69.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7 12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2
Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7 17.Nxf7

Now I remeber why I didn't reply to the previous move at once. I
wasn't really sure it was a good idea to grab the second pawn.

For example 17.Nxf7 Re8 18.Ng5 Bf5 and it seems a bit hard to
bring the 2 rooks and the bishop into the game. However,
I don't see a clear plan for black either so I'll leave
it up to the following players to prove this was (not) a
good move.

Nuno

Bill Melton, Player, No Brainer....

No brainer rook survial!! But where to put it. I chose c8 Because of the
file being almost open and it was close to the other pices instead of being
in that corner all alone, maybe it can also have a better chance of getting
into the game here instead of chasing the knight buy going to f8. I am not
giving any suggestions to the next one in to move the last time I did back
on move 13 well we this is the postion we have now. But you have my reasons
for my move. Go Jeroen :)
Bill

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5
8.Qb3e69.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7 12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2
Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7 17.Nxf7 Rh-c8

Jeoren van Dorp, Player, Excellent Move with a missing message...:(

Opps, somehow I lost this message, but Jeoren played 18.Ng5 which is a very excellent move.

Subsequently, David Surratt sent a message to Jeoren that was meant for me, which included the text (though not the pgn) for move 18.

Jeroen: I don't think this is the only reasonable move for white. I also though of
a3 and b4 to try to free the white pieces.
But if white will try to make the best of the two pawns in advance against
his rooks and bishop hopelessly trapped (why didn't you all listen to me
earlier? :)) ) he must try to swap them off as soon as possible to maximize
the two pawn advantage, or immobilize the black pieces to the max, starting
by pushing the bishop to f5. At this moment I think the material advantage
hardly outweighs black superiority in activity. I'd rather play with black....

Steve Tomporowski, Player

[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessChat"]
[Black "Rotation Game"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A03"]
[PlyCount "35"]
[EventDate "2000.11.18"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5 cxd5
8.Qb3 e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8 13. Bc6 Bb4+
14.Kf2 Ke7 15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8 18. Ng5! Kd7

I'm taking the liberty of giving Jeoren's move the status it deserves.
Black's left with a conundrum. White may not be able to move around much,
but he has 2 extra pawns, and, he's basically a turtle in a shell, he's hard
to get at. Black didn't help his own cause with Kc7, but he has to keep
white tied up. Give up the B pair? I guess I answered that...;)

My plan here is to allow the exchange, then double the R's on the c file,
followed by doubling them on the 2nd rank. This should be enough to draw.
Moving the B to f5 allows too much freedown to White. And besides I keep
thinking about Coffee House Chess....;)

Yep, this is a gamble....

Steve

>game so far:
>http://www.nostgames.com/rotationgame.htm
>http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm
>rotation table:
>http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

Graham Clayton, Player, Responding because SOMEBODY forgot to list who was next...sheesh!

Fellow chess chatters,
There seems to have been a bit of confusion over the move order
in the rotation game. I believe it is now my move, as my last move
was with Black (14........Ke7). With 9 players, my next move is White's
19th move. So here it is

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6
7. cd5 cd5 8. Qb3 e6 9. Ne4 Be4 10. Qb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qb7
12. Bb7 Rb8 13. Bc6 Bb4+ 14. Kf2 Ke7 15. Bd7 Kd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7
17. Nf7 Rhc8 18. Ng5 Kd7 19. Ne4

As Stephen mentioned in his previous move, Black's main
threats are infiltration of the c-file by his Rooks. The immediate
threat is .....Rc2+ followed by Rg2/Bg2

White also has the problem of getting the Ra1 and Bc1 into the
game.

19.b3?? Bc3 loses a piece.

So I have decided on 19. Ne4, so as to remove the Black
Bishop, which is a threat to White on both sides of the board.

I suggets that Black have a good look at the position, before
playing the "automatic" move.

Graham

Bob Terry, Player

[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.10.02"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Rotation"]
[Black "Rotation"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 *

I think that this is the obvious move Graham mentioned. It gets rid of
the only mobile piece that White has, and Black can still play Rc2+,
because the Bishop on White's back rank ties everything up.
Can't remember who has the next move. Ah yes, Anders Lind. I'd be
lost without the voices telling me what to do.
Bob T

Steve Tomporowski, Player, With some 'out-of-order' analysis.

I'm going to interject here, as Graham mentioned it but I think Bob T. has
apparently made the better move. Here's why. Graham was alluding to Black
playing 19...Rc2+ (I think), which is great for Black after 20.Nd2? Bxd2
21.Rxd2+ Kf3 22.Rbxb2. However, on 19...Rc2+ White can also play 20.Kf3!
whereby either Black drops another pawn or goes along a piece down. There
are more complications later, where I think Black can pick up a pawn or two,
but doubled rooks on the 2nd rank loose a bit of their punch when the K has
escaped the 1st rank.

Steve

Jeoren van Dorp, Player, Plugging his website and mine.

Graham has lost it!

The move order, that is.......

http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm
for your convenience sir.

All:
game so far at:
http://www.nostgames.com/rotationgame.htm
or:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm
and again the rotation table:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

Maybe something for the Rotation game #2 starters to see how the first bunch
did - so far.

Jeroen

Graham Clayton, Player, Responds!

Steve said:
>I'm going to interject here, as Graham mentioned it but I think Bob T. has
>apparently made the better move. Here's why. Graham was alluding to
Black
>playing 19...Rc2+ (I think), which is great for Black after 20.Nd2? Bxd2
>21.Rxd2+ Kf3 22.Rbxb2. However, on 19...Rc2+ White can also play 20.Kf3!
>whereby either Black drops another pawn or goes along a piece down.

Steve,
The "zwischenzug" or in-between move 19.....Rc2+ was the one
that I was considering, but your analysis shows why it was not
a serious possibility. Still, all moves should be considered.

Graham

Anders Lind, Player

[Event "ChessChat Rotation Game"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 *

I have no idea what to play in this position, I don't like the white position at
all, but
at least this brings up some kind of threat. I would suppose that black will
make
Rc2+ and white replies Kg3, and after that well, white is cramped.....

Next Move: David Surratt

Best Regards,
Anders

Steve Tomporowski, Player, Still Out of Order.....

Graham,

Actually, I hadn't thought of interjecting ...Rc2+ because I remembered the
N could go to d2, protected by the B, then I remembered that the Black B was
on the same line and got excited. Then I remembered that White did not have
to interpose the N...and got deflated again. All in the course of writing
that one email...phew! I'm exhausted...;)

Steve

Graham Clayton, Player

Fellow chesschatters,
I believe it is Nuno's turn to move - am I right?

Graham

Robert Meek, Player

As far as I know...I was the last one to move, making it Nuno's move.

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design

Jeoren van Dorp, Player

The ChessChat Rotation Game Phone Service at your rescue:
At the next beat of my BIG HAMMER it's......

[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessChat"]
[Black "Rotation Game #1"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A03"]
[PlyCount "41"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5 cxd5
8.Qb3 e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8 13. Bc6 Bb4+
14.Kf2 Ke7 15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8 18. Ng5 Kd7 19. Nxe4
dxe4 20. a3 Rc2+ 21. Kg3 *

game so far:
http://www.nostgames.com/rotationgame.htm
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm
rotation table:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

.... stop this immediately! This is way too silly!

(thanks to Monty Python)

J.

Weldon MacDonald, Interested Spectator

Hey! rotation game #1 was a rousing success! This is a johnny come lately.
We played the first game a year ago.

Bob Terry, David Surratt, Players

From: "David Surratt" <surrattf@bmi.net>
Reply-To: ChessChat@yahoogroups.com
To: <ChessChat@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [ChessChat] A Few Moment of Silence Please
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 14:52:36 -0800

Sad indeed; I made the next to last move in this game, and still think the
game hung in the balance, waiting to see if White could break free from the
bind Black had on his position.

I've been a part of a number of games like this, and it seems too easy for
some participants to sort of "forget" to make a move. Like, it's not really
my game, so there's no real ego-loss in just walking away. I've seen this
happen too many times when the game got tough, but was still hanging in the
balance.

Rotation game 1, we hardly knew thee...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Terry" <bobgeorg@nb.sympatico.ca>
To: "Chess, Chat" <ChessChat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 2:09 PM
Subject: [ChessChat] A Few Moment of Silence Please

> I would like you all to spend a minute or so of silence and reflect on
the
passing of Rotation Game #1. It was the first of it's kind, and at the
begining of it's short life, was quite popular. But like so many things, it
started to suffer from neglect, and eventualy passed away. The end was
quiet and peaceful; no fuss, fights, or shouting. It slowly faded away.
R.I.P Rotation Game #1, you brought some happy hours to many people. We
will miss you. :-(
> Bob T

Graham Clayton, Player, Ponders the Why's......

Fellow chesschatters,
I believe it is Nuno's turn to move - am I right?

Graham

Robert Meek, Player, As the search for the next to move narrows down!!

As far as I know...I was the last one to move, making it Nuno's move.

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design

Jeoren van Dorp, Player, Always ready with a PGN

.... stop this immediately! This is way too silly!

(thanks to Monty Python)

J.

Nuno Maltez, Player

Hi,

Yes, it's my move, sorry here it goes:

21... Bd2

Although I'm not sure it's sucha good idea for black to exchange pices
like this, i don't see a better option. If the bishop retreats, white
can probablt finish his development and still remain two pawns ahead.

NEXT MOVE:William Melton

Nuno

Jeoren van Dorp, Player

A few moments of silence please for Bob Terry, who was able to resurrect the
Rotation Game Numero Uno after a simple ChessChat Message. Hail to him.
<deep bow>
And this is the game so far:

[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
[Site "All around the world"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessChat"]
[Black "Rotation Game #1"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A03"]
[PlyCount "42"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5 cxd5 8.
Qb3 e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8 13. Bc6 Bb4+ 14.
Kf2
Ke7 15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8 18. Ng5 Kd7 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20.
a3
Rc2+ 21. Kg3 Bd2 *

the game so far:
http://www.nostgames.com/rotationgame.htm
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm
and who's to move? rotation table here:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

ps. I got the message Bob T. won't be able to answer your calls when it
concerns locating lost pets, medical problems you are ashamed to bother your
M.D. with, Vulcan mindmelds or bending teaspoons provided by Uri Geller.
He only treats dead chess games.

J.

jimvandorp@wxs.nl
http://zip.to/jeroen

Bill Melton, Player

The c-file is the action file after 22. BxB RxB 23. b4 then which ever white
rook over on the c- file. Onwards to the dire postion for black. Any thouhgts on
a draw offer?
Bill

[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
[Site "All around the world"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessChat"]
[Black "Rotation Game #1"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A03"]
[PlyCount "42"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5 cxd5 8.
Qb3 e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8 13. Bc6 Bb4+ 14.
Kf2
Ke7 15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8 18. Ng5 Kd7 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20.
a3
Rc2+ 21. Kg3 Bd2 22. BxB

Bob Terry, Player

Please don't add another element of confusion to this troubled scene. The
original Game #1 was started by Graham, and it finished!! Another was
started with most of the original players, and it too was called Rotation
Game #1. Later someone started another rotation game with different
players, and this was called Rotation Game #2. That one too has gone to meet
it's Maker. It is a dead......(finish it)
I have sent this because a lot of people have joined the list since this all
began, and are not privy to inside jokes.
As for #2? Someone else will have to raise this Lazarus; I don't know the
players.
And in reply to Jeroen who gave me credit for resurrecting #1 before he
started to wander in the wilderness. I have only this to say - any genius
could have done it.
th these virus', and as a consequence I no longer
have a record of this game. Will someone please send me a pgn file . Thanks.
Bob T

Bob Terry, Player, Again

Bob Terry, Player, Still Again

Sorry I made a misteak. Next move is Anders Lind.
Bob T

Anders Lind, Player

Jeoren van Dorp, Player

My apologies to Bob, as I sent him an incomplete version of the status of
our RG1.
I stand corrected sir - do you want me to stand on a street corner on a
certain time?

His move is supposed to be move 24. white

This is the correct one:

[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessChat"]
[Black "Rotation Game #1"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A03"]
[PlyCount "46"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5 cxd5 8.
Qb3 e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8 13. Bc6 Bb4+ 14.
Kf2
Ke7 15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8 18. Ng5 Kd7 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20.
a3
Rc2+ 21. Kg3 Bd2 22. Bxd2 Rxd2 23. b4 a5 *

Now poor Bob has to develop a new plan. But I know he can do it.
If we all think positively, we will be able to manage. Let's take each
other's hands and hummmmmmmmm......

Sorry again.

J.

Bob Terry, Player, Still Again

Note: If you find this confusing, so do I....didymus7....

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Everyone"]
[Black "Everyone"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 *

This is the move made from the corrected pgn file. Now White has another
problem to deal with.
All is forgiven Jeroen van Dorp. But the next misteak will cost you both of
your thumbs.
Bob T

Anders Lind, Player

Is it my move again? LOL

/Anders

Robert Meek, Player

I'm a bit confused as well! Who's move is it and what IS the
number of the last move?

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design

David Surratt, Player

Kinda reminds one of several mechanics working on a car that won't start....didymus7....

I believe Bob Terry made the last move, which means it is now Anders Lind's
turn.
David Surratt

Anders Lind, Player

David Surratt, Player

Anders, having made the last move, opined about whose move was next. Here
is the move order:

Graham
Bob
Anders
David
Robert
Nuno
William
Jeroen
Stephen

Hence, my move is next. Not that I want to move here, this is a very tough
position for White, methinks...my move will come later.
David Surratt

David Surratt, Player

Graham Clayton, Player

Fellow chesschatters,
I will be going on holidays from the 17th of December to 4th January
inclusive, and will be unable to make any moves in the rotation game.

Do the group want to
a) continue playing with 8 players, or
b) have an adjournment till I come back?

Graham "Mad Aussie" Clayton

Jeoren van Dorp, Player

>This is the move made from the corrected pgn file. Now White has another
problem to deal with.
>All is forgiven Jeroen van Dorp. But the next mistake will cost you both
of your thumbs.

I just bought me the three DVD-set of The Godfather. Let me rephrase Bob's
words: he made me an offer I can't refuse (or else I'm swimming with the
fishes). I always heard Marlon Brando practised with glass marbles in his
mouth to "speaka the funny way, eh?".

Indeed Robert is again to move -oops, sorry- now answering the last
brilliancy of Bob.
But as they say: "Robert Meek/does it two times a week". ;)
Robert, I leave it to you to answer with an equally lousy rhyme on my name.
It shouldn't be too difficult to be more funny than me. I know the poets are
here. I've seen them.

This time the PGN is okay and it's here:

[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessChat"]
[Black "Rotation Game #1"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A03"]
[PlyCount "47"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5 cxd5 8.
Qb3 e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8 13. Bc6 Bb4+ 14.
Kf2
Ke7 15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8 18. Ng5 Kd7 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20.
a3
Rc2+ 21. Kg3 Bd2 22. Bxd2 Rxd2 23. b4 a5 24. bxa5 *

After Robert it's time for Nuño's 26th move for white.

J.

the game so far:
http://www.nostgames.com/rotationgame.htm
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm (updated 12/10)

and who's to move? rotation table here:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

Robert Meek, Player

My earlier post of this morning drained me of any near-future
poetic justice so I'll forgo the usual repartee and simple make a move
this time! <g> BUT...not until I return this evening, as I have a busy
day ahead of me with the contractor who is building my apartment.
Gotta tell ya all about this! I've been slowly building an
addition to my Father's house...really it's a separate building, but on
his property. Him and my Mom are getting up there in years and need me
to be nearby, so I'm nearly finished with my "mansion" which by the way
includes a whole 14 sq ft of space to be dedicated strictly to chess!
I'm all ready to fill it up with my handmade chess table and
board w/ the ebony pieces, a tiffany lamp hanging over it from above,
and two of the most beautiful but uncomfortable, antique chairs you ever
saw! Everyone else voted for the pool table, but what do they know! <g>

This room also includes a bookshelf that will hold nothing but
chess paraphernalia and sets, an Ethernet network cable that will go
directly from my laptop, ( on the chess table ), to my main computer so
I can consult Fritz and play online from there as well. Oh yes, and
I've got about a half dozen large, framed, reproductions of
chess-related artwork, including a single-frame video byte of Humphrey
Bogart playing chess with himself from the movie, "Casablanca"!
Does anyone here think I'm overdoing it?

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design

Robert Meek, Player

Nuno Maltez, Player

Graham Clayton, Player

Fellow chesschatters,
Just another note to remind you all that I will
be on holidays for the next 3 weeks, and will
not be able to make my move in the game.

Graham "Mad Aussie" Clayton

Bill Melton, Player

This is getting sticky deft play and will come now so If this looks familar
with my move yep that rook was here once before. hate rook pawn endings. You
notice how I am leaving certain middle pawns alone.
Bill

> [Event "Rotation Game #1"]
> [Site "ChessChat"]
> [Date "2001.12.08"]
> [Round "1"]
> [White "?"]
> [Black "?"]
> [Result "*"]
>
> 1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
> 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
> 12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
> 17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
> 22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2

Jeoren van Dorp, Player

Who's responsible for this? Can we blame someone, for this pathetic board
shuffle? I want to remind you all I was born to be wild, but this won't
work. I have a suggestion. I read that Graham is out of town for the coming
three weeks. Let's blame him, as he can't respond >:-}
Okay, sorry, Santa Claus isn't traveling through the Netherlands, our
"Sinterklaas" is at Dec. 5th, and already left the country, so I'm not
worrying if I am good or bad...

White isn't able to salvage or promote one of the pawns on the a-file. And
black has strong chances of taking one or two white pawns in the center.
It's either defending the white pawns at the queenside and a draw, or
sacrificing them by white and going after the black pawns at the king side.
In that case we will eventually end up with something like two rooks each
and black a passed pawn in the center and white two connected passed pawns
on the kingside. I played some variations without caring too much about the
finesse (I'm too dumb for that) but I arrived at this conclusion. So I
looked it up in my database - two rooks each, one passed pawn by black, two
connected by white.
I guessed it would turn out both draws and white wins equally. But that's
not true with the connected pair. If white can keep to it, he's able to win
with precise play. 2/3 of the time that's true, 1/3 is for a draw, and
hardly a game for black.
So I turned back to the board situation and did a search for the material on
the board now with two double pawns, one for both sides, and for white
passed as well. I found five games, and guess what - all won for white....
White should play on, and can win, yet it needs a lot of patience and
precise playing. Let's hope I'm both right *and* am the one to end with a
white move.... ;)

[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessChat"]
[Black "Rotation Game #1"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A03"]
[PlyCount "53"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5 cxd5 8.
Qb3 e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8 13. Bc6 Bb4+ 14.
Kf2
Ke7 15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8 18. Ng5 Kd7 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20.
a3
Rc2+ 21. Kg3 Bd2 22. Bxd2 Rxd2 23. b4 a5 24. bxa5 Rbb2 25. Rhg1 Rb3 26. Rge1
Rbb2 27. Rg1 *

Next to move: Stephen

J.

the game so far:
http://www.nostgames.com/rotationgame.htm
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm
and who's to move? rotation table here:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

Steve Tomporowski, Player

Next move to "Skip the Aussie"??? If so, Bob Terry is next.

>Who's responsible for this? Can we blame someone, for this pathetic board
>shuffle? I want to remind you all I was born to be wild, but this won't
>work. I have a suggestion. I read that Graham is out of town for the coming
>three weeks. Let's blame him, as he can't respond >:-}

Ok Jeoren, tell me where being Dutch and "Born to be wild" is NOT a
contradiction....;)

I'm actually disappointed in this game. It's been poorly played. At least
we know nobody has be using...ah...Fritz???

Anyways, this position is one that Fritz will not help you with.

Experience tells me that Black can only hope for a blunder or try to force
the repetition. Conversely, White has to temporarily give up something to
make progress. Note that if White can get his a**, I mean rooks off the 1st
rank, he will have much better chances.

Unfortunately, White cannot do that without giving up the e pawn, which may
be fatal.

White would love to play 27...Rb3 28.Rb1 but this allows 28...Rxe3+ 29.Kh4
and White falls apart.

[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessChat"]
[Black "Rotation Game #1"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A03"]
[PlyCount "53"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6
9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7 12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7
15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7 17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+
21.Kg3 Bd2 22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3

Steve

Bob Terry, Player

So, what's the drill? Wait for Graham, or shall I try to bring sense to
this game. I've tried, but all my efforts are brought to naught, by the
other players on the list. Like Bart says, "It's not my fault, it was like
that when I got here."
I agree. A wild, tempetuous Dutchman is an oxymoron; but there are
exceptions.
OK back to the game. Is it time to euthanize this sucker, and start
another?
Bob T

Graham 'The Mad Aussie' Clayton, Player, Pondering the Deep and Meaningful....

Fellow chesschatters,
I have noticed that I ma the only player in either rotation game
that has been given a nickname.
Would it be possible if all of the other players could have a
nickname as well

Graham "Mad Aussie" Clayton

Anders Lind, Player, Makes a Statement!

Please disregard, *mental note to myself read all the messages first LOL*

/Anders

Weldon MacDonald, Innocent Bystander, Comments on the Past Confusion

LOL, Who's on first?
The way this was originally handled, and successfully I might add, was to
have one person in charge of the player order. Everything was sent to him
and he, and only he, posted the move, rattled players cages etc...

Weldon MacDonald

Bob Terry, Player, Suddenly Notices that Nothing is Happening

OK, nobody is going anywhere until we find out what happened to Rotation
Game #1. It was last seen wandering around just before Christmas waiting
for someone to make a move. Since that time it has not been seen. Did
someone kill it, or did it die a natural death? If it is found someone was
responsible for it's demise, then that person will be fed pretzels until
they choke.
Bob T

Bill Melton, Player, With Explanations

The last thing I believe I saw was weather to wait for some Mad Aussie :-)
to come back or to skip him so I guess it is in Graham's court welcome back
to the game.
Bill

Bill Melton, Player, Again!

I forgot also talk of putting it out of it's misery, and out of our
memories!! I believe there was talk of passing the move to Bob T. And he
suggested killing it. Have heard no other replies since.
Bill

William Melton said:
>The last thing I believe I saw was weather to wait
>for some Mad Aussie :-) to come back or to skip him
>so I guess it is in Graham's court welcome back
>to the game.

Graham Clayton, Player, Mad Aussie, Makes the understatement of the Game!

Bill,
I'm back! :-)

So the game should continue.Whose move is it?

Graham "Mad Aussie" Clayton

David Surratt, Player, Has it all figured out......

It's Graham's turn to make White's 28th move. There was disagreement about
the probable outcome of the game.

David Surratt

Bill Melton, Player

Go Awseome Aussie!! Or should we get a headstone for it. There is some play in
it this end game with rooks I hate these type. It is going to take exact play
might win for white and one not so good move should draw are we up for it? And I
believe the position has been repated once. If anyone else has anymore moves
send it quick I don ot want to mess Grahgam up.
Bill

[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessChat"]
[Black "Rotation Game #1"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A03"]
[PlyCount "53"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6 7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6
9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7 12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7
15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7 17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+
21.Kg3 Bd2 22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3

Graham Clayton, Player, Moves!

[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessChat"]
[Black "Rotation Game #1"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A03"]
[PlyCount "53"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28. Rae1

I don't want the game to peter out into a draw by repetition
by playing 28. Rge1 Rbb2 29. Rg1, so I have decided to support
the e-pawn with the other rook.
After 28...Ra3, I couldn't find too many promising continuatione!

Graham "Mad Aussie" Clayton

Bob Terry, Player

We are underway again. Now nobody gets Bushwhacked by a pretzel.
Bob T

Bob Terry, Player

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Everyone"]
[Black "Everyone"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 *

Black does not have too many options. This move is reasonably safe, but Black
should 29....Rxa3.
Bob T

Robert Meek, Player, 'Everybody Blames the Computer'

Bob,
When I switched machines, I had intended to carry such info over
via my CDR backups, however my new machine arrived without a Cd player,
and I had to have IBM send it to me. I haven't installed it yet, so
could you please send me the url's for the rotation game and the OCL
sites? I'm not sure who's move it is in the rotation game, but I've
been analyzing it all weekend and so am ready should it be mine. Thanx.

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design
e-mail: rmeek@ptd.net

Bob Terry, Player

Here is the original msg with the move order, but I can't help you with the
other questions. Am I the Bob you meant to ask? There is no URL for the
rotation game, and I don't know what an OCL is - sorry.
Bob T
----- Original Message -----
From: <gclayton@cch.com.au>
To: <chesschat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:17 PM
Subject: [ChessChat] "Rotation" game

> Fellow chess chatters,
> The following players have signed up for
> the team "rotation" game
>
> 1. Graham Clayton
> 2. Bob Terry
> 3. Anders Lind
> 4. David Surratt
> 5. Robert Meek
> 6. Nuno
> 7. William Melton
> 8. Jeroen
> 9. Stephen Tomporowski
>
> Since we have an odd numbered group of
> players, I suggest that this group will play the
> game.
>
> For Stephen's benefit, we will all be "rotating" our moves
> from White to Black, due to the odd number of players.
>
> Seeing that I came up with the idea, I will have the honour
> of making White's first move.
>
> I think that we should use the same e-mail message,
> and just add our move. The list can then be posted
> to the chesschat list, so that all members can keep
> track of the game.
>
> I also suggest that when you post a move, you give
> reasons why you made the move as well.
>
> Graham

Anders Lind, Player

Robert Meek, Player, Pondering....

I was just wondering, as we're allowed to comment on this game
right? Did anyone look seriously at White #29: P-f5? I'm seeing some
interesting combinations there but I haven't followed them thru
completely or analyzed it with Fritz.

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design
e-mail: rmeek@ptd.net

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 *

David Surratt, Player

Robert Meek, Player

I'll be sending out my move sometime tonight!

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design
e-mail: rmeek@ptd.net

Robert Meek, Player, With His Move!

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5

I studied this one all day, and it looks to me that if White
were to move either Rook into a position which might force a trade,
Black can with good play pull a draw. If he chooses not to trade Rooks
at this time, it will happen eventually with no real advantage for
either side except White's supremacy in Pawns, which will also
eventually be negated. White should go for the win here, and the only
way I see this happening is if he gets mobility quickly, and before the
Rook trade takes place. F5 accomplishes this and gives Black more to
worry about. I've followed this move thru for as many variations as I
could come up with and if Black isn't supremely careful, White can win
this!

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design
e-mail: rmeek@ptd.net

Nuno Maltez, Player

Bill Melton, Player

Jeoren van Dorp, Player

That was a move by Robert I liked *very* much. And looking and my comments
at move 27, I could be right after all. White should get his rook to the
other side of the board rapidly, so Rc1 could be a move following. There's
nothing else to do for me than take back the pawn and give the honour of
deciding what to do next to Stephen...

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31. fxe6 Kxe6

Jeroen

Robert Meek, Player, Comments.

Exac-ic-tactly what I had in mind when I made the last move for White!
Glad to see I'm not completely out there! <g>

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design
e-mail: rmeek@ptd.net

Steve Tomporowski, Player

No, I've not passed 'on'. It took two weeks to get over the switchover from
cox@home to cox.net. It makes one realize the utter futility of trying to
talk to 'level 1' and 'level 2' help technicians. If anyone knows
networking and wants to know the whole stupid story, let me know...and just
keep saying "It's cheaper...it's cheaper..." [Corporate Mantra].

I haven't kept up with the game, so I can't complain about what's happened
since my last move. Here White needs to play both Kf4 and h4, so I thought
I'd start with the threat. I don't think Black can afford to give up the e
pawn w/o a fight, but he'll eventually be forced to give it up, it all
depends on what he 'can get for it'.

Next move: The Aad Mussie

Steve

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31. fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4

Graham Clayton, Mad Aussie

>Here White needs to play both Kf4 and h4, so
>I thought I'd start with the threat. I don't
>think Black can afford to give up the e pawn w/o
>a fight, but he'll eventually be forced to give
>it up, it all depends on what he 'can get for it'.

I analysed 32...Kd5 protecting the e-pawn,
but after 33. h4 Raa2 34 g4 White has deflected
the attack on his king-side pawns, and also
gained a bit of space as well.

The immediate attack on the g & h pawns by
32...Raa2 is the best way to play, trying to
gain some compensation for the loss of the
e-pawn.
Here is some analysis

32. Kf4 Raa2
33. Ke4 Rg2
34. Rg2 Rg2
35 h3/h4 Rh4

32. Kf4 Raa2
33. Ke4 Rg2
34. h4 Rh2
35. Rg7 Rh4+
36. Kd3

Next move: Bob Terry

Graham "Mad Aussie" Clayton

Bob Terry, Player, Getting Confused....

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Everyone"]
[Black "Everyone"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kh4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kg4 Raa2 33.Kf4 *

I agree with Graham, this is the only logical move for White.
Bob T

David Surratt, Player

I thought Stephen played 32.Kf4. In Bob's posting he lists White's 32nd as
Kg4. Which is correct?

PS After Bob's turn comes Anders.

Jeoren van Dorp, Player

You're right, it was 32. Kf4, so Bb has to set his brains in motion again :)

Here's the score - without 33. Kf4, as my copies of chess programs prohibit
me from entering it ....

the game so far:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm

and who's to move? rotation table here:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

Jeroen

Bob Terry, Player, Remakes a move and admits his Misteak

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Everyone"]
[Black "Everyone"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 *

Sorry Chief - missed it by that much. I made a misteak on move 29. OK for
Anders now?
Bob T

Anders Lind, Player

David Surratt, Player

Robert Meek, Player

Hi all,
Black's 34th move is a no-brainer, which makes it perfectly
suitable for me! <g> There's little sense in trading down at this
point, so Black's immediate needs are to 1. Protect the Rook now under
attack, and 2. Prevent White from exploiting his pawns. Thus my move:
Rgg2 stops Whit's attack upon the Rook as well as prevents White from
moving d5+!

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 Rgg2 35.

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design
e-mail: rmeek@ptd.net

Nuno Maltez, Player, First to Recognize the Mistake

Em Quarta, 20 de Fevereiro de 2002 11:56, escreveste:
> 32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 Rgg2 35.

Robert, this can't be played. The g-rook's already in g2.

Nuno

Jeroen van Dorp, Player

> Robert, this can't be played. The g-rook's already in g2.

Nuno, you're such a petty guy :) just because there's a rook on g2
already you don't want to play on.
A creative chess player tackles such situations not as problem, but
as a challenge! e.g. Play Rag2 and put that rook on top. Two rooks on
top of each other can be a mighty opponent.....

;)

Jeroen

ps1 here's the actual situation:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm

or this:
8/6pp/4k3/8/3PK3/4P2P/r5r1/4R1R1 b - - 0 34
wKe4,Re1,g1,Pd4,e3,h3/bKe6,Ra2,g2,Pg7,h7

ps. is it 'Nuno' or 'Nuño'?

Robert Meek, Player

Obviously I have an error somewhere. Please list the game so
far and I'll run it from the beginning. Sorry bout that!

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design
e-mail: rmeek@ptd.net

Nuno Maltez, Player

> ps. is it 'Nuno' or 'Nuño'?

Nuno, no tilde.

Nuno

Robert Meek, Player

Sorry about the confusion over the move. I guess I can chalk it
up to a subconscious effort on my part to prove to the world that
algebraic notation is just as prone to mistakes as descriptive! <g> (
How's that for an excuse? )
In any case, I went to the site and played from there so that I
would be sure it was correct this time. And basically the same
sensibilities apply. I never trade even in the end-game. I usually try
to force some kind of do or die situation...not easy when both parties
have two rooks! So, not trading, but not wanting to lose the pawn at
g7, black moves: P-g6.

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 g6 35.

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design
e-mail: rmeek@ptd.net

Nuno Maltez, Player

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 g6 35.Rxg2

I think white has a clear advantage here. He already has a pair
of connected passed pawns ready to roll, and his king is much
more active than black's.

In fact, I believe white can ignore possible threats to his h-pawn
in the following moves, and adopt the plan of pushing the black king
to the 8th rank, where he will have to defend himself aginst
mate threats.

So a possible line could be:

35.Rxg2 Rxg2 36. Ra1 (or even 36.d5+ followed by Ra1) with the idea
37.Ra6+

Black will have to worry not only about his king but also about his
pawns since they will be attacked by the rook after the checks on
the rank.

Nuno

Bill Melton, Player

It has been going slowly down the drain since 13... B-b4+, this was the main
turning point of the game. The way I see it an a check that led to later tactics
that made black dance along the edge of the drain. The gravity of circling the
drain this long is now mighty heavy. I can not see saving the one rook that
black has to go one down and let whte have two rooks is like the gravity on
Jupiter now mighy heavy! Must take back that darn rook, I can see no other way.
to last any longer.
Bill

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 g6 35.Rxg2 Rxg2

Jeoren van Dorp, Player, About Tablebases

Hark, the time cometh that we don't have to use our brains anymore
for these kind of situations: the darn tablebases will solve the
position for us.

In the meantime, dear listeners, we're awfully close to such a TB-
position and most chess programs will start to read to hard disks
frantically to see what is in store for the next move. And in the
meantime -let's not beat around the bush- these are the finest
endgames.
In Correspondence games I spend hours to calculate these situations,
as missing the optimal continuation isn't not only the harsh reality -
but often the point where you suddenly see you finally made the dumb
mistake, and now you have to pay the price for not studying hard
enough on the end game.

Quick! To the bookshelf! The secret of rook endings..... let's solve
it with Ra1, threatening Ra6+ and Ra7+ to collect the pawn on h7, as
the black king has to stay in the center to prevent the white d-pawn
to promote. Remember that black has to play on *with* it's rook; a
swap would mean a loss because the white pawns will outrun black.
White will then give up the center pawns for the black duo on the
wing, and protect the promotion field of the white h-pawn. And that's
one queen to come. And that's ..... enough.

Let's see who of us studied hard on the endgame. :)

Jeoren

Steve Tomporowski, Player

>From: "jeroen_61" <chessbrat@planet.nl>

Gee, Jeroen, I didn't know you were *that* old, 61, sheesh! ;)

Yeah, I've been updating my page on the rotation game, but I usually lag a
couple of moves behind: http://www.nostgames.com/rotationgame.htm

Well, Black is in pretty bad shape here for a Rook endgame. He got almost
nothing for giving up the e pawn and letting White have the two connected
past pawns. Now his rook is in the wrong place and his remaining pawns are
in danger. For example: 36....Rh2? 37.Ra6+ and the K has to stay on the e/d
files to slow the pawns advance, so White picks off the h pawn. Soooo, in
order to salvage the remotest possibility of counterplay, lets try to save
the h pawn.....

>
>[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2001.08.03"]
>[Round "*"]
>[White "ChessChat"]
>[Black "Rotation Game"]
>[Result "*"]
>[ECO "A03"]
>[PlyCount "71"]
>
>1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5
>cxd5 8. Qb3 e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8
>13. Bc6 Bb4+ 14. Kf2 Ke7 15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8 18.
>Ng5 Kd7 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20. a3 Rc2+ 21. Kg3 Bd2 22. Bxd2 Rxd2 23. b4 a5
>24. bxa5 Rbb2 25. Rhg1 Rb3 26. Rge1 Rbb2 27. Rg1 Rb3 28. Rae1 Kd6 29.
>Kg4 Rxa3 30. f5 Rxa5 31. fxe6 Kxe6 32. Kf4 Raa2 33. Kxe4 Rxg2 34. h3
>g6 35. Rxg2 Rxg2 36. Ra1 h6

...and so the games goes back down under and I can revel in the knowledge
that if the game should last so long, I'll be playing white next time around
(as he thinks how he could have won the game for Black back in the
opening...but who remembers that....)

Steve

Graham Clayton, Player

>[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2001.08.03"]
>[Round "*"]
>[White "ChessChat"]
>[Black "Rotation Game"]
>[Result "*"]
>[ECO "A03"]
>[PlyCount "71"]
>
>1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5
>cxd5 8. Qb3 e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8
>13. Bc6 Bb4+ 14. Kf2 Ke7 15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8 18.
>Ng5 Kd7 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20. a3 Rc2+ 21. Kg3 Bd2 22. Bxd2 Rxd2 23. b4 a5
>24. bxa5 Rbb2 25. Rhg1 Rb3 26. Rge1 Rbb2 27. Rg1 Rb3 28. Rae1 Kd6 29.
>Kg4 Rxa3 30. f5 Rxa5 31. fxe6 Kxe6 32. Kf4 Raa2 33. Kxe4 Rxg2 34. h3
>g6 35. Rxg2 Rxg2 36. Ra1 h6 37. Ra6+

Simple and strong. White drives the Black King towards the edge
of the board, which gives the White King a chance to invade the
Black position. As well as directly threatening the Black pawns,
White also has possible back rank mating threats as well, which
can be used to not give Black the time to attack the White
pawns with the Rook (The KIng has to be moved to stop the mate)

Graham "Mad Aussie" Clayton
Next move: Bob Terry

Bob Terry, Player

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Everyone"]
[Black "Everyone"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 g6 35.Rxg2 Rxg2 36.Ra1 h6
37.Ra6+ Kd7 *

Not really a forced move, but there was very little choice. This at least keeps
the Black King away
from the h8 corner. Next move Anders.
Bob T

Anders Lind, Player

David Surratt, Player

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 g6 35.Rxg2 Rxg2 36.Ra1 h6
37.Ra6+ Kd7 38.Kd5 Rg5+

In keeping with Ander's comment about an active king, I decided it might be
best not to let the Black king get pushed back to the edge of the board. An
alternative was 38...Rg3, which really didn't look all that bad, but I
figured that move would still be there after 39.Kc4, and if 39.Ke4 Rg2
repeats the position.

David Surratt

Robert Meek, Player

Nuno Maltez, Player

David Surratt, Player

Nuno, I'm curious why you didn't play 39...Rg2, attempting to repeat the
position? I'm not saying it was a better move, just curious, that's all.

David Surratt

Bill Melton, Player, With a BIGGER Mistake....

Well:
The pawn was there for taking!!! So I did it. I am guilty of pawn grabbing
because it is a lot harder to push one pawn than two, especially a lone rook
pawn as a beneral rule. Which is the pawn black has left. On to Jeroen.
Bill

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 g6 35.Rxg2 Rxg2 36.Ra1 h6
37.Ra6+ Kd7 38.Kd5 Rg5+ 39.Ke4 Rg3 40.Rxg6

Bill Melton

David Surratt, Player, The first to question....

Doesn't that drop a rook to 40...Rg3xg6?

David Surratt

Bill Melton, Player, Replies

U are right on the game I had saved some how I had the black rook on the h
file otherwise I wold of pushed whites rook pawn oh well so much for my
reccords and being tired
Bill

Spencer R. Lower, Observer, With a Solution....

Takeback?

Spencer R. Lower

Bill Melton, Player, 'Figers'

I do not what the rules where Spence but I did take my figers off .
thanks
Bill

Jeroen van Dorp, Player, 'You won't escape it!'

With such a long ongoing game with so many players a wrong setup can
happen, so the holy Caissa told me in her wisdom that a takeback is
in order and a new move from Bill.

You won't escape it!

I'll wait for your move, and everyone can check out the situation of
the game..... duh ..... here:

the game so far:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm
and who's to move? rotation table here:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

Jeroen.

Bill Melton, Player, Acquires a Nickname

Ok I will but I am going to get around to it after I check out your sites
and see wht moves are ththere but after a shower and oicking up mt sweetie
from work!
Wrong Move Bill
that kinda of has a ring to it like "the Mad Aussie"

Bill 'Wrong Move' Melton, Player

OK:

I think I have found a way to sneak up on Blacks g pawn By king to f4 it could
force a retreat or taking the of whites rook pawn then the white rook does the
grab the g pawn shuffle. got to find a way to break up his final two pawns.

Bill

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5 cxd5 8. Qb3
e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8 13. Bc6 Bb4+ 14. Kf2 Ke7
15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8 18. Ng5 Kd7 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20. a3 Rc2+
21. Kg3 Bd2 22. Bxd2 Rxd2 23. b4 a5 24. bxa5 Rbb2 25. Rhg1 Rb3 26. Rge1 Rbb2 27.
Rg1 Rb3 28. Rae1 Kd6 29. Kg4 Rxa3 30. f5 Rxa5 31. fxe6 Kxe6 32. Kf4 Raa2 33.
Kxe4 Rxg2 34. h3 g6 35. Rxg2 Rxg2 36. Ra1 h6 37. Ra6+ Kd7 38. Kd5 Rg5+ 39. Ke4
Rg3 40. Kf4 *

Nuno Maltez, Player, Responding to David Surratt

On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, David Surratt wrote:

> Nuno, I'm curious why you didn't play 39...Rg2, attempting to repeat the
> position? I'm not saying it was a better move, just curious, that's all.

Because I didn't believe white would allow a 3-fold repetition. I
considered leaving the rook at g5, but I don't think it would help
much and I didn't know what else to do...

Nuno

Jeoren van Dorp, Player

40... Rxh3

There's nothing left than to take the h-pawn; black can't
sufficiently help *both* black pawns, nor atack the white centerpawns
from behind. White will take on g6 next and start to bugger the black
rook while advancing its centerpawns. The black h-pawn eventually
will not be able to promote. Black is in bad shape.

the game so far:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm

and who's to move? rotation table here:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessChat"]
[Black "Rotation Game"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A03"]
[PlyCount "80"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5
cxd5 8. Qb3 e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8
13. Bc6 Bb4+ 14. Kf2 Ke7 15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8 18.
Ng5 Kd7 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20. a3 Rc2+ 21. Kg3 Bd2 22. Bxd2 Rxd2 23. b4 a5
24. bxa5 Rbb2 25. Rhg1 Rb3 26. Rge1 Rbb2 27. Rg1 Rb3 28. Rae1 Kd6 29.
Kg4 Rxa3 30. f5 Rxa5 31. fxe6 Kxe6 32. Kf4 Raa2 33. Kxe4 Rxg2 34. h3
g6 35. Rxg2 Rxg2 36. Ra1 h6 37. Ra6+ Kd7 38. Kd5 Rg5+ 39. Ke4 Rg3 40.
Kf4 Rxh3 *

Steve Tomporowski, Player, Not really looking!!!?!

41.Rxg3

Not much to say here. Quickest way to a win. White can play almost
anything and still win from this point. How did we end up with a [Plycount]
in the score. Someone using a computer??? It certainly hasn't shown....;)

Steve

[Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessChat"]
[Black "Rotation Game"]
[Result "*"]
[ECO "A03"]
[PlyCount "80"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7. cxd5
cxd5 8. Qb3 e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8
13. Bc6 Bb4+ 14. Kf2 Ke7 15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8 18.
Ng5 Kd7 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20. a3 Rc2+ 21. Kg3 Bd2 22. Bxd2 Rxd2 23. b4 a5
24. bxa5 Rbb2 25. Rhg1 Rb3 26. Rge1 Rbb2 27. Rg1 Rb3 28. Rae1 Kd6 29.
Kg4 Rxa3 30. f5 Rxa5 31. fxe6 Kxe6 32. Kf4 Raa2 33. Kxe4 Rxg2 34. h3
g6 35. Rxg2 Rxg2 36. Ra1 h6 37. Ra6+ Kd7 38. Kd5 Rg5+ 39. Ke4 Rg3 40.
Kf4 Rxh3 41.Rxg3

Jeoren van Dorp, Player, Whose name I can now spell without even thinking....;)

> 41.Rxg3

I'll vote for 41.Rxg6, I think that's what you mean.

J.

Steve Tomporowski, Player, Needed instruction in Notation....

Okay, 41.Rxg6...you can see how interesting this game is now...;)

Steve

Graham Clayton, Player

> [Event "ChessChat Mailing List"]
> [Site "?"]
> [Date "2001.08.03"]
> [Round "?"]
> [White "ChessChat"]
> [Black "Rotation Game"]
> [Result "*"]
> [ECO "A03"]
> [PlyCount "80"]
>
> 1.f4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 Ne4 4. Nbd2 Bf5 5. e3 Nd7 6. c4 c6 7.cxd5
> cxd5 8. Qb3 e6 9. Nxe4 Bxe4 10. Qxb7 Qc8 11. Ba6 Qxb7 12. Bxb7 Rb8
> 13. Bc6 Bb4+ 14. Kf2 Ke7 15. Bxd7 Kxd7 16. Ne5+ Kc7 17. Nxf7 Rhc8
> 18.Ng5 Kd7 19. Nxe4 dxe4 20. a3 Rc2+ 21. Kg3 Bd2 22. Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4
>a5 24. bxa5 Rbb2 25. Rhg1 Rb3 26. Rge1 Rbb2 27. Rg1 Rb3 28. Rae1 Kd6
>29.Kg4 Rxa3 30. f5 Rxa5 31. fxe6 Kxe6 32. Kf4 Raa2 33. Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3
>g6 35. Rxg2 Rxg2 36. Ra1 h6 37. Ra6+ Kd7 38. Kd5 Rg5+ 39. Ke4 Rg3
40. Kf4 Rxh3 41.Rxg6 Rh1

Fellow chesschatters,
I went off and had a look at my copy of "Batsford Chess Endings"
to get some guidance on this ending. To quote BCE
"Although connected passed pawns are immeasurably more valuable
than a single one, the player with material disadvantage can
sometimes draw if his pawn is far advanced - or, in some
circumstances win!"

After reading those words, my first option for Black was
41....h5, to push the pawn forward. But then White can
play 42. Rh6, with the idea of 43. Kg5 and winning the
h-pawn.

So, a rook move looks in order. Black's rook has to stay
on the h-file to defend the pawn. My suggestion of 41..Rh1
allows the rook to defend the h-pawn and also possibly
check the White king if it moves up the board.

Graham "Mad Aussie" Clayton

Bob Terry, Player

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2001.08.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Everyone"]
[Black "Everyone"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 g6 35.Rxg2 Rxg2 36.Ra1 h6
37.Ra6+ Kd7 38.Kd5 Rg5+ 39.Ke4 Rg3 40.Kf4 Rxh3 41.Rxg6 Rh1
42.d5 *

Push the pawn. Push the pawn. Push the pawn. Alright - I pushed the pawn.
Bob T

Anders Lind, Player

David Surratt, Player

Intending to see if I could actually make use of some of these books I've
lined my shelves with, I went searching for the wisdom of those stronger
than I (no cracks, please). Here's what I found:

Reuben Fine in "Basic Chess Endings" (1941):
...connected passed pawns win here with...great regularity...The winning
idea is to get the rook behind the enemy pawn and thus be able to use it to
stop that Pawn and support one's own...the White king must be able to
ensconce himself behind his pawns without allowing [an] exchange of
[pawns]...the winning method may then be divided into four phases:
1. White guards the Black passed pawn by placing his rook behind it.
2. With the help of both king and rook he advances his own pawns as far as
possible, taking care to avoid a blockade.
3. If Black prevents the further advance by manipulation of his rook, White
will either capture the Black pawn or the Black rook.
4. If the Black rook does not try to stop the Pawns a queen will be forced
by their steady advance.

Paul Keres in "Practical Chess Endings" (1973):
White usually wins here, but there are a number of exceptions, especially if
one of the pawns is a RP.

Edmar Mednis in "Practical Rook Endings" (1982):
The general rule is that this is a win unless the single passed pawn can
quickly queen or the stronger side's king can not help his pawns to advance.

Of course, there was much more, but this gives the basic ideas behind my
move (43.Ke5). White can get the rook behind the h-pawn any time, but the
urgency is to make the king as active as possible. White is now in position
to push the Black king back another rank. He'll park the rook on h6 to
defend against the h-pawn queening and to make checks along the h-file.
Meanwhile, the central passers will just keep on marching home...

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 g6 35.Rxg2 Rxg2 36.Ra1 h6
37.Ra6+ Kd7 38.Kd5 Rg5+ 39.Ke4 Rg3 40.Kf4 Rxh3 41.Rxg6 Rh1
42.d5 h5 43.Ke5

David Surratt

David Surratt, Player

Oops! I forgot to change the header. Next move is Robert Meek.

David surratt

Robert Meek, Player

Give me a day or three...mo one is in a hurry right? <g>
Because I want to go thru David's analysis on this end-game before I
make the next move. Won't have time to get to it today though, but
first thing in the morning I'll be on it!

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design
e-mail: rmeek@ptd.net

Robert Meek, Player

This was a tough decision! Among the possibilities were Rh4,
Rh3, Re1, and Kc7. Each one of these as a means to pulling White's Rook
off the pawn so as to allow my Rook further movement. With ANY of these
moves, White's next move could be critical...the obvious move which on
the outset looks good, could indeed be a blunder if made, so I'll give
him the opportunity to give Black the win. I choose Rh4 as Black's 43rd
move. And the odd thing is, that after making it I turned Fritz on, via
ChessBase which I'm using to store the game and guess what...it agreed
with me! <g>

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 g6 35.Rxg2 Rxg2 36.Ra1 h6
37.Ra6+ Kd7 38.Kd5 Rg5+ 39.Ke4 Rg3 40.Kf4 Rxh3 41.Rxg6 Rh1
42.d5 h5 43.Ke5 Rh4

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design
e-mail: rmeek@ptd.net

Graham Clayton, Player

Fellow chesschatters,
I will be taking some off from work around the
Easter break, and thus will not have e-mail
access from the 23rd of March to the 4th of
April.

Should we have an adjournment of the rotation
game till I get back, or are the 8 other players
happy to continue playing in my absence?

Let me know what you think.

Graham "Mad Aussie" Clayton

Jeoren van Dorp, Player

> Should we have an adjournment of the rotation
> game till I get back, or are the 8 other players
> happy to continue playing in my absence?

Sooooo..... you really think you can duck and run for cover? No way.
We will sit and wait until you are back.

You have obligations in life, young man! And you have to realize the
responsibilities coming with them.

If a guy here - I won't mention his name, because it's Weldon - feels
the responsibility to marry someone on this list (or is it "off this
list"?), do you think you could pass a move in our rotation game?

Now, now, this time we will have considerations with your indecent
proposals; next time you won't get away with them so easily.

J.

David Surratt, Player

"Should we have an adjournment of the rotation game till I get back, or are
the 8 other players happy to continue playing in my absence?"

Machs nicht. Either way.

David Surratt

Bob Terry, Player

I don't mind an adjournment until Graham comes back, or vice versa.
Bob T

Graham Clayton, Player

Bob Terry said:
>I don't mind an adjournment until Graham comes
>back, or vice versa.

Fellow chesschatters,
I think an adjournment till Thursday the 4th of
April seems in order. Could the player whose
move it is post their next move on this date?

Thanks,
Graham "Mad Aussie" Clayton

Nuno Maltez , Player

Well, let's lock the black king in the 8th rank..

David Surratt, Player

Out of curiosity, I asked Shredder to look at this position. After 19-ply
(I ran out of patience waiting for the nice round number of 20) the best
line for Black it found was evaluated as +6.94. In other words, White's
winning by more than the value of a rook.

I'm all for allowing Black a merciful ritual suicide, aka resignation. I
think the winning plan for White is very simple, and impossible for
Black to overcome.

William Melton, Player

Ok the king is on e8. Go jeon. but then I agree with David tip the king. but
if you all want to play on.then ...Ke8 then it should be over in by move
60 -65 depending on how it is played out as a win for white.
Bill

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 g6 35.Rxg2 Rxg2 36.Ra1 h6
37.Ra6+ Kd7 38.Kd5 Rg5+ 39.Ke4 Rg3 40.Kf4 Rxh3 41.Rxg6 Rh1
42.d5 h5 43.Ke5 Rh4 44.Rg7+ Ke8

William Melton, Player

Subject : [ChessChat] rotation game did my mighty move and prediction
come in

I did it when all the quirky things with yahoo started. Did any one see it? If
not tell me and I will dig my notes out and repost. But I remeber predicting if
we keep beating this dead horse till the end it will be about move 60 - 65 and
white will mate. Or has Jeroen not made his move yet. Did I miss something?
Bill

Jeroen van Dorp, Player

It was Sherlock Holmes who made me lose track of the moves. Your
message did pop up, but I must have slept through it after a night of
that screeching violin and the smoke of pipe tobacco.

Well, there's not much to think about, e4 is the move. Blocks the
black rook efficiently preparing the way for d7. If people want to
wait for the mate, it's okay with me, but if I were black, I would
tip my king, salute you all (including myself) and wonder where it
all went wrong.

Congratulations white, a nice win.

Jeroen

the game so far:
http://www.nostgames.com/rotationgame.htm
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/chesschat.htm
and who's to move? rotation table here:
http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 g6 35.Rxg2 Rxg2 36.Ra1 h6
37.Ra6+ Kd7 38.Kd5 Rg5+ 39.Ke4 Rg3 40.Kf4 Rxh3 41.Rxg6 Rh1
42.d5 h5 43.Ke5 Rh4 44.Rg7+ Ke8 45.e4

Stephen Tomporowski, Player, Who FINALLY resigns for Black!!!!

Subject : Re: [ChessChat] Rotation game move 45....Next move: Nobody!i

Date : Mon, 15 Apr 2002 21:25:56 -0400
Okay, I'm about to do what the last several Black players were afraid to do.
Black resigns. At this point it's senseless to continue as Black.

Steve

[Event "Rotation Game #1"]
[Site "ChessChat"]
[Date "2001.12.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "1-0"]

1.f4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Ne4 4.Nbd2 Bf5 5.e3 Nd7 6.c4 c6
7.cxd5 cxd5 8.Qb3 e6 9.Nxe4 Bxe4 10.Qxb7 Qc8 11.Ba6 Qxb7
12.Bxb7 Rb8 13.Bc6 Bb4+ 14.Kf2 Ke7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ne5+ Kc7
17.Nxf7 Rhc8 18.Ng5 Kd7 19.Nxe4 dxe4 20.a3 Rc2+ 21.Kg3 Bd2
22.Bxd2 Rxd2 23.b4 a5 24.bxa5 Rbb2 25.Rhg1 Rb3 26.Rge1 Rbb2
27.Rg1 Rb3 28.Rae1 Kd6 29.Kg4 Rxa3 30.f5 Rxa5 31.fxe6 Kxe6
32.Kf4 Raa2 33.Kxe4 Rxg2 34.h3 g6 35.Rxg2 Rxg2 36.Ra1 h6
37.Ra6+ Kd7 38.Kd5 Rg5+ 39.Ke4 Rg3 40.Kf4 Rxh3 41.Rxg6 Rh1
42.d5 h5 43.Ke5 Rh4 44.Rg7+ Ke8 45.e4 1-0

Jeroen van Dorp, Player, Has to get in the last word.....

It's unbelievable, but it seems I'm a clairvoyant:

http://home.wxs.nl/~jimvandorp/chess/games/cctable.htm

when I created the table I stopped exactly at black's 45th move.....

:)

I'll leave it without the "done".... as a relic.....

J.

That's the end of the Story!!!

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